Ryzom

inifuss wrote:Delivery missions require 10 racial fame and digging 15. You do not have to be a citizen; however, if you are a citizen then you recevied double(ish) the honor points.

Ini

ah that's why Trini is irritated. And I must agree, I feel cheated !

Well I’m Matis but Tryker citizen So I helped in Lakes. Today I finally did some forest missions for the towers. Everyone needs to go help Forest and Jungle Currently it’s the foraging that’s lacking in the Foest.

I think the reason Trini feels irritated (and I could be totally off based) is because they changed the delivery % per drop during the event. As the event unfolded it appeared the closer you got to completion the less crates delivered per parcel (started out 30 crates per parcel .42%, went to .21% - 15 creates at about 50% completion, .135% at around 65% - 10 crates). That makes a bit of sense in the overall scheme of an event. But then they threw some wacked out percentages in over last weekend after the Fyros towers were complete (or perhaps near the end of completion) and it really appeard to be no rhyme or reason, though I would think there was but am still unaware of it, and deliveries were anywhere from less than .21% Matis (don't remember the exact %), 1.25% - Tryker and 2.08% Zorai (I think, but I may have transposed the 8 and 0).

Now you may think, so what is the big deal? It made the towers get done quicker. Well, it was bascially a slap in the face for the diggers because they worked really, really hard to get the mats to the materials NPC for delivery. If they increased the delivery % then they did not need to forage as many materials and that is where I think some homin's became upset. Also, the area they might have wanted to increase the delivery % (Matis) it was DECREASED, apparently the matis are not as successful as getting their materials (I can attest to this with trying to gather homins for the TRUDGE teams) to the NPC, every little bit would help!

The % increase also hurt those who were helping with the event and could not join until later because it in effect gave them less honor points (more crates/less deliveries/less honor points). I know that you can still earn the honor points with the missions at this point but it would probably be best to talk to someone who had that issue to get a clearer understanding of their view point.

Another thing that I heard that people were irriated about was that they felt that Ryzom was not giving us a chance to fail. If they are boosting the % rates so that everything gets built then everything gets completed as requested and we, the players, really do not influence the game and our world after all and the only difference in our "evolving" servers is the language. We are just doing the events to make a pre-determined outcome happen and they might as well say, grind to build a tower and if it isn't done by this deadline, we will place them there anyway. In any event, there has to be the possiblity of failure if we are truely impacting our world.

I don't think the 10 and 15 civ fame would make anyone feel cheated.. Or I can't really see why. If you want to help out with a civilizations missions it makes since that you would need to have some type of good relationship with that civilization.

Sorry for the long post. Please excuse any misquoting of exact figures (the concept is the same if the numbers are wrong).

And yes.. Mats are needed in Forest (q160+) and Jungle. Please help out as best you can.

Ini
*hugz, luvz n cookies*

inifuss wrote: I don't think the 10 and 15 civ fame would make anyone feel cheated.. Or I can't really see why. If you want to help out with a civilizations missions it makes since that you would need to have some type of good relationship with that civilization.

I my opinion the simple fact that civilization fame is a requirement to provide construction materials let me assume that the situation isn't as bad as the leaders of the four nations want us to believe. If it really would be that bad, the prospectors would accept the raw materials of everyone regardless of their standing with the culture.

That the frontier supplier only entrust the parcels with people of a certain civilization fame I can understand.

sx4rlet wrote:I agree with Trini about change of delivery rate. I was online thursday, didnt log in some days, and suddenly fyros AND tryker were finished on saturday. Please next time, let the players finish it at their speed, cause this feels like cheating.

What I don't agree with Trini is that the immersion is close to zero. Yes, it could have been better, but beside that, I really felt I was rebuilding the civilization again, and the last time I felt that on Atys was a long long long time ago.

I agree with both of this.

I was really disappointed what they did with the delivery % per drop over the weekend. After the Fyros towers were complete, it was increased by about a factor 10! As if for some reason the Tryker towers just had to be completed on that Saturday. After those were finished the rate fell back to about twice what it was before the weekend - and from then on it felt rather futile to still work on the remaining towers. Why should I do deliveries for a 0.42% increase now, if I can just wait for the devs to boost the rate to 2.08% again and do the deliveries then?

But Ini already explained in great detail what's wrong with this, so I won't repeat it. In regards to the "chance to fail" though, I'll add that in addition to working on the towers feeling futile now, I actually actively want to boycot the building just to see if the devs will allow us to fail. If my feelings about this are at all representative of a sizeable part of the Ryzom population, it's no wonder we lost steam.

But yes, the immersion factor in this event was truly awesome. All the buildup of the kitin presence leading up to this, rebuilding the civilizations finally, customised speeches for every civilization to bring their differences to life. Lovely. It's a shame that they're now letting it bleed to death though - much as I love this event lasting several weeks, such a length means that it needs regular 'mini-happenings' to keep it alive. Those don't need to complicated, but I feel the completion of the Fyros towers should've at least warranted a congratulatory speech from an Imperial Representative, and urges from all the other civilization's leaders to hurry up with their own towers. This, I think, would've done far more to keep the event alive than the temporary boosting of the %-rates did.

thlau wrote:I my opinion the simple fact that civilization fame is a requirement to provide construction materials let me assume that the situation isn't as bad as the leaders of the four nations want us to believe. If it really would be that bad, the prospectors would accept the raw materials of everyone regardless of their standing with the culture.

That the frontier supplier only entrust the parcels with people of a certain civilization fame I can understand.

Think of it from this aspect.... A Zorai with negative fame with the Matis... Thus the Matis people could consider that Homin to be an enemy. Why would you accept anything from an enemy? .... It could be a Bomb for all they know!

Having a little positive Civilization fame means that that particular Civilization trusts you. In that, its a good aspect for this event, due to the lore. As a Tryker citizen, you would never be able to help the Zorai because of your differences in opinions and actions and history. But as someone who is neutrally aligned, you have a chance for all the Civilizations to look kindly upon you.

I see it as Cause and Effect.

ldjaggy wrote:Think of it from this aspect.... A Zorai with negative fame with the Matis... Thus the Matis people could consider that Homin to be an enemy. Why would you accept anything from an enemy? .... It could be a Bomb for all they know!

Having a little positive Civilization fame means that that particular Civilization trusts you. In that, its a good aspect for this event, due to the lore. As a Tryker citizen, you would never be able to help the Zorai because of your differences in opinions and actions and history. But as someone who is neutrally aligned, you have a chance for all the Civilizations to look kindly upon you.

I see it as Cause and Effect.

This sounds like something a Matis would think, that all who are not friends are enemies and to be feared.

In my opinion the Lore can only be a guideline and not a corset into which I am forced. If lore is inflexible and fixed, unable to develop it is dead. We the players are the only ones to change at least small portions of it.

Currently the existing fame system is such a corset. You can roleplay to extend the lore but the current system in no way can reflect changes that happen in the game. The current fame isn't about trust, it is about denying trust in a homin, because of the allegiance he pledged.

Mainly I don't understand that some homin that pledged allegiance to one of the four nations who's leader signed the Treaty of the four people is regarded with less respect than an unaligned homin. Worse even that they are despised. So does this negate the Treaty. Was the blood of Still Wylers spilled to no end? The Blood that as the signature of the leaders marks the Treaty?

In response to Trini..

Lore is a framework, not just a guideline. By the way you talk, and many similar arguments before, it sounds like the lore should be shrugged off and ignored except for bits that are fun or cater to the way someone wants to play. Personally, I have issue with this mindset. I understand it and don't think it's bad, per-se, but it doesn't help immersion or obtaining any kind of historical perspective to this game.

Yes the four leaders signed a peace treaty, but it is tenuous at best and not necessarily followed by the citizenships. For the most part, and particularly for Fyros and Matis, it seems that the civ leader is largely a figurehead and that there are factions beneath that have sway with the people, who are still scared and likely would be untrusting of strangers, prodded on by political leaders who are vying for control.

Given that, the civ fame needed for the missions was only 10. This is rather small and does seem appropriate. It is a level of trust that someone will not be undermining their efforts to protect their land (I mean, I wouldn't put it past an enterprising Matis, Fyros, or even Tryker to disrupt the flow of materials to either destabilize a region or profit from the action..). There are many homins who have excellent fame with all of the races, whose effort does make sense that they would best be able to profit diplomatically by helping each of the races.

Pick up the gauntlet, grind that civ fame to usable levels to show you can be trusted by a peoples who distrust you because of the past actions of your race.

Anyways.. now I'm distracted.. hopefully that made some bit of sense.

Peace,
- Sui

suib0m wrote:Given that, the civ fame needed for the missions was only 10. This is rather small and does seem appropriate. It is a level of trust that someone will not be undermining their efforts to protect their land (I mean, I wouldn't put it past an enterprising Matis, Fyros, or even Tryker to disrupt the flow of materials to either destabilize a region or profit from the action..). There are many homins who have excellent fame with all of the races, whose effort does make sense that they would best be able to profit diplomatically by helping each of the races.

True. Except that, if i remember correct, a Tryker Citizen cannot get positive fame with the Zorai, no matter what he does, because of the fame restrictions (mechanics) of the game.

suib0m wrote: Pick up the gauntlet, grind that civ fame to usable levels to show you can be trusted by a peoples who distrust you because of the past actions of your race.

Dear Suibom, I assume you always stayed neutral to the civilizations so I understand that you does not know what happens to the fame caps when you pledge allegiance to a civilization. As Trini became a Tryker citizen her Zorai fame was reduced from about 80 of the old fame system to 0 in the new one.
0 is the maximum fame a Tryker citizen can reach under the current fame system.

And don't think I shun the fame grind fur the ridiculous 10 points, it just is impossible for me to do so!