Ryzom

It's a shame to see this happening. I'm afraid I don't know you SweetMarie, as I haven't played for some time now. I do know the Ghosts, in particular Zella who I always saw as a friendly and helpful person, and got on with very well. The cross-country trips in particular were very enjoyable

Anyhow, as I said it's a shame this is happening, but I've seen similar situations before in MMO land. Catfud said it pretty well, and his point is certainly a crucial one in these situations. I saw a very friendly and casual WoW guild fall apart, because we tried to merge with a raiding guild. This was done because members were getting bored, and we needed more heads to try the "endgame content". Thinking we had found the right kind of "casual raider guild", we merged in an attempt to keep our good friends from leaving us. The mix of incompatible attitudes quickly brought the guild to it's knees - luckily, it recovered, but only after most of the real "hardcore raiders(tm)" were ejected

When it comes to casual vs. organised, there is usually some amount of friction. Myself, I sit somewhere in the middle - I always prefer casual play, and while I naturally avoid any kind of strict organisation, I can appreciate that certain rules do need to exist, if only to keep everyone happy and avoid in-fighting between members.

I hope you guys don't have too much trouble over all of this, and that you can move on and continue having fun in your own ways

I agree with you completely Catfud and Ffionnys. Thing is, we have not talked to anyone not wanting to talk to us. What’s been described by Zella could only be hypothetical since its not reality and I’ll just leave it at that.

Dazam that’s interesting how you picked up on the question of casual versus organized. That has been part of the difference in views, but even a casual guild I think has members who need to know what the heck they are doing in an outpost war situation. Not knowing creates conflict.

vonzuben wrote:Not knowing creates conflict.

Indeed it does, and when it comes to things like Outposts, it is certainly worth knowing where everyone should stand on the matter WoW doesn't really have any mechanics like Outposts, but even so we had a small set of "base rules" that all members had to abide by. Mostly common sense, but they were rules all the same.

Anyhow, whichever side of the fence you reside on in this particular matter, I do still hope that it doesn't cause ongoing problems for you ingame. The Ryzom community has always been small and tight-knit, and while it continues to be small, it also needs to continue to be tight-knit

We are tight baby

You should all leave your guilds instantly and join Arcueid's Booze Foundation!

cielchan wrote:You should all leave your guilds instantly and join Arcueid's Booze Foundation!

Do I get free beer?

I knew the post was about you, Marie - I figured it was unlikely that anything I said would condemn you; and if it had, well, then that would have meant I disagreed with your actions .

The stuff mentioned about organisation is a good point - it's... very interesting being teamed with one person who likes to be methodical and make progress, and one who likes to run around in ever-widening circles to see if they can make it back to the water in time.

*shrug* I try to convince everyone to join me but suck at it. hence I used to let the expert poachers deal with recruitment *cough*tyilin*cough*

My opinions (which, like feet, everyone has and they frequently stink):

Posting information about your new guild in your old guild's forum: OK as long as you only post once. That's no different than giving your friends your new address when you move.

Asking friends to join your new guild via tells: OK as long as you only do it once, anything more than that is bordering on badgering/harassment. Of course, if it just comes up as a natural part of the conversation then ask but use your common sense, if it comes up as part of every conversation...badgering.

Poaching is, in my book, when one specifically sets out to recruit currently guilded homins with whom one does not already have a relationship. Gonjal just announced in Uni that he really wants to finish his elemental master, you specifically start helping Gonjal just so you can try to persuade him to join your guild. Or you invite a group of new Tryker Trekkers to level with you, feed them cats left and right, all just to convince them to join the Fyros Firefighters. These things are poaching. There is no real way to "protect" against these other than for guild leaders to condemn such practices among their own officer ranks.

Dont forget the ancient art of "The Ninja" Gorran