Ryzom

fadebait wrote:We have a name for people that ask for money without revealing who they are. It's called 'scammer'.

These people won't get a brass farthing from me until they tell us this (and with some evidence to back it up, along with a resonable explanation about why it hasn't been disclosed before).

How appropriate to hide behind an unnamed account with idiotic claims like this

Nice one Anatti, I'm totally with you on this, man.

This was funny to me...

ffxjosh wrote:(I rarely get annoyed with idiots but this made my exception list)

First off. This post is close to the boardline of flaming. So apology in advance.

You said that... then followed with this -

ffxjosh wrote:You're an idiot.

lol... You must have meant that you had crossed the border line, but not by far

anyway , I agree with most of what else you said... I just had to point that out... because I'm sick, and bored, and had nothing better to do at this very moment.

P.S. Hey Komi

C'mon people, don't turn this thread into a flaming war or an all-negative-comments-you-can-think-of.

If you have nothing constructive, nothing positive or you simply are not part of Spiderweb, then don't reply.

In any case, this thread was not addressed to the community but to Spiderweb !

I'd be surprised if anyone from Spiderweb (or Winch Gate whatever) answered this thread. I'd rather have them working on the game than answering trolls on the forum (the OP is not a troll, but the rest of the thread is questionable).

It'd be a waste of time for the same reasons Anatti mentionned. I know the forums are being read and the most important ideas and suggestions are relayed to SW, that's sufficient for me. Why would we need to know their precise plans ? What if there is a problem with one project and they can't deliver on time ? I'd rather be surprised with a new patch full of unexpected stuff, than expect patch X at Y time and be disappointed because feature z has not been included in the 3 last patches even though it was promised to us.

If the AoC devs had been developping instead of bragging, they would have released a game instead of an unfinished junkyard and subsequent patches would have fixed the game instead of breaking it even more.

kalindra wrote:I'd be surprised if anyone from Spiderweb (or Winch Gate whatever) answered this thread.

I am not expecting an answer before March anyway but at least this thread will still be there and perhaps they will answer. Even if its very slim, I did it anyway.

kalindra wrote: It'd be a waste of time for the same reasons Anatti mentionned.

Yeah, because customer confidence in them and their abilities isn't important.

Communication is key.

raven41 wrote: P.S. Hey Komi

Hey Red, Nice to see you back mate

tbh I am not conserned on who the owners are, more like what are their plans for the game and when can we extect a decent patch and added content.

ffxjosh wrote:You're an idiot. Scammers are people who promise you something for money then provide you with nothing. The people behind Ryzom are ALREADY providing you/us with a service and asking to be paid for that service.

No. You are dangerously naive. It would be very possible for a third party to hijack the billing system. This becomes a lot easier to do convincingly if we don't even know who the money is supposed to be going to.

And I would consider it a scam if they took my money, left Ryzom the way it is (maybe a few tiny patches just to keep everyone hanging on) and used the bulk of the money to create a new game.

I can think off-hand of several other possible less-than-honest things that could be going on, many of which would fulfil my definition of 'scam'.

Apart from anything else, unless they provide this information they will actually be breaking the law once billing goes live in the UK at least and quite possibly a few other countries.

Feel free to rush to judgement as always Anatti - you continue to be one of my least favourite people on these boards (I've tried to avoid you as much as possible in game), but I had chalked you up for slightly more intelligence than: "Oh, we already have the game so it cannot possibly be a scam". Idiot.

EDIT: See from the other post that you are still only a student, so the naiveity gets partially excused.
Also this account isn't unnamed - I've said who I am at least once, but I detest long signatures and refuse to add one of my own.

fadebait wrote:No. You are dangerously naive. It would be very possible for a third party to hijack the billing system. This becomes a lot easier to do convincingly if we don't even know who the money is supposed to be going to.

It's very easy for anyone to hijack any payment method. It doesnt stop me from using ATM's. It doesnt stop me from buying online using Ebay. It wont stop me paying for subscriptions for other MMORPG's and it wont stop me from paying for Ryzom.

And I would consider it a scam if they took my money, left Ryzom the way it is (maybe a few tiny patches just to keep everyone hanging on) and used the bulk of the money to create a new game.

I would agree. However. Seeing as the development team is run by someone from the original (and all exhaulted) Nevrax I cant see that as a plauseable possibility. Also their first patch wouldnt be to rmeove the fact people could cheat. It would be to provide some small content, as thats what the players want. If the new owners wanted to scam us. they'd tell us that everything is going to be amazing, to keep us here. Add that to the http://dev.ryzom.com/ site. Makes that seem more unlikely.

I can think off-hand of several other possible less-than-honest things that could be going on, many of which would fulfil my definition of 'scam'.

Please, do. I'd happily debate it.

Apart from anything else, unless they provide this information they will actually be breaking the law once billing goes live in the UK at least and quite possibly a few other countries.

To form a contract (in the UK) yes. you must know the names of all parties involved. But you're assuming that on billing it wont say who you've paid. IE "Pay Winch Gate". You're also assuming that a company who are able to leagally buy the game have no idea of the basic legal obligations for charging for services.

Feel free to rush to judgement as always Anatti - you continue to be one of my least favourite people on these boards (I've tried to avoid you as much as possible in game), but I had chalked you up for slightly more intelligence than: "Oh, we already have the game so it cannot possibly be a scam". Idiot.

Actually it's not rushed. What i have seen is a company (of at least 2 potentials) buy up ryzom, after a really long messed up legal problem. Tell us what they planned on doing and kept to their word. Their first patch removes cheating from the game and fixes simple bugs. The launch a dev site and set up events and expand the support team structure.

It's nice to be disliked. Thanks. Shame the feeling isnt mutual. I can think you're a bit of a paranoid person. But seeing as i dont know who you are. *shrug*. Also youve not had to avoid me. Ive not been ingame with Anatti for a very long time. So please, dont try and make it out to be that im ruining your ingame time.

I think one thing you are forgetting here is that Ryzom has never made money. Theres no scam/con potential here. not without vast vast vast quantities of work. Take that to the fact the "Scammers" are already way way into the red. Keeping servers running etc etc.