The Guild Registry of Outposts: Who, Where and What

[katriell]

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The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to restrict the list to mechanical alignments.

[blaah]

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The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to restrict the list to mechanical alignments.

there shouldnt be a list at all because of politics. you cant use this list anything but flames anyway.

if the colors are by ingame faction chat access list, it does not accurately represent ingame outpost sides strength*.

if the colors are by 'whos defending what faction guild outpost', then it gives more accurate strength* numbers, but allows another kind of ... hmm dissagreement.

* we could also name it resource distribution, but we know where that leads to....

[sidusar]

I agree. Faction alignment is the only thing that's neatly defined and binary, but it's pretty meaningless in keeping track of outpost ownership. Alliance alignment is much more meaningfull, but not so neatly defined and binary, so any attempt at neatly defining it is always going to be oversimplified and will always have someone disagree with it.

Riv's list does clearly state:

The color code is gold for Kami and Kami Alliance members

So it seems he's boldly trying for the second option.

[d29565]

Riv's list does clearly state: (stuff about kami and kami alliance)

So it seems he's boldly trying for the second option.

Ah, but he incorrectly had people listed as Kami alliance, when they weren't. For instance, Atys Ghosts aren't members of the Kami Alliance, just "free thinking tryker." In his book, that makes them Kami Alliance. They dont have access to the Kami Alliance boards anymore than GoJ does.

Until he gets it right, someone has to do the list correctly, because it creates to much of a hassle, and gives people that impression that the Kami have more outposts than they do, and the Karavan less than they do.

If i would make more sense, I could color the "free thinking tryker" a different color. But, then Team Spirit and neXus would be listed a different color as well. There are a lot of avenues to look at when coloring this list, which is why it is simplest to color by aligned faction, and for the readers to learn just which guilds are aligned with whom. The tryker guilds i mentioned, iirc, are aligned as tryker guilds. Some Kami guilds are aligned as kami guilds. Some karavan guilds are aligned as karavan guilds. Some alliances overlap.

[maccer16]

because a guild is a free tryker guild does it make them less karavan then the karavan guilds i think not they should be placed under karavan as said in your guild fame window it tell you what you are.

because a kami guild is`nt in the kami alliance does it make them not kami nope it does`nt

same goes for karavan

guilds are neutral when there guild window class`s them as neutral but thats just how i think

[audrimas]

Coloring by faction alignment is a bit wrong. We cant see a full picture of two opposing sides which fight for resources in Ryzom world. Faction alignment has nothing to do here.

Marking AG and TPM(if they ever be on this list) in wrong colors make this list confused.

Make this list SIDE based not faction based.

Gold against blue. Easy and simply.

Free trykers against slaver matysians, good kamis against evil karas, kami aligned karas against kara aligned kamis, less op holders against more op holders... Confusing

[d29565]

Coloring by faction alignment is a bit wrong. We cant see a full picture of two opposing sides which fight for resources in Ryzom world. Faction alignment has nothing to do here.

Marking AG and TPM(if they ever be on this list) in wrong colors make this list confused.

Make this list SIDE based not faction based.

Gold against blue. Easy and simply.

Free trykers against slaver matysians, good kamis against evil karas, kami aligned karas against kara aligned kamis, less op holders against more op holders... Confusing

Erm, this sounds like you might be trying to be sarcastic. "cause otherwise it doesn't make sense. Would be next to impossible to put all the different "side" alliances on here. The easiest thing to do is to list by faction, and let the players ask in game or just know their politics, as to who is with who.

[audrimas]

Would be next to impossible to put all the different "side" alliances on here.

Actually there are 3 sides.

1. Kami alliance and those who help them (gold)
2. Kara alliance and those who help them (blue)
3. Everyone else - who fights on one or another side from time to time (name them mercs, even if they not asking any payment (white)

If a guild always (most of the time) come to help one side, mark them accordingly. In this case AG, they always fight for kamis so make them gold even if they are kara by alignment.

[d29565]

Actually there are 3 sides.

1. Kami alliance and those who help them (gold)
2. Kara alliance and those who help them (blue)
3. Everyone else - who fights on one or another side from time to time (name them mercs, even if they not asking any payment (white)

If a guild always (most of the time) come to help one side, mark them accordingly. In this case AG, they always fight for kamis so make them gold even if they are kara by alignment.

*sigh* it's not so black and white. Making it that black and white is what the problem is to begin with.

AG, for example, isn't Kami alliance, and putting them as such just because some people think that's where they should be, isn't the way to make a useful thread.

[sidusar]

I think it would help a lot if we stopped associating the alliances with the factions. It's reality that most of the outpost politics is dominated by two warring sides, but calling those sides the Karavan Alliance and the Kami Alliance leads to constant confusion about who's what. So I propose we rename them the Evil Empire and the Free Federation.