Ryzom

alphacen wrote:Don't ppl use the compass when they have such issue? I've placed several flags almost 1 meter from each other and got no problem with it... or is there a limit in the numbers of flags the compass can show?

Heh, the limit is the height of your screen.

sofiaoak wrote:I can respect You opinion about what You like, but it's what You like, not what I like. If walking would be so fun, then why don't we just remove all teleports from game and see how fun it is really walking around. Of cause that's not what I would suggest, because in reality people don't wanna walk too much. Short distances yes, but not long ones.

Yes, walking long distance can be fun, but not all the time in every day...

u made a chooice being neutral....... dot like to life without those tp's? go Kami or Karavan

sofiaoak wrote:Some comment about You comments.

8 & 9 & 14. It's a choice what I would like to have. It doesn't take anything away, just adding possibility what makes life in game easier. It's not about that You can't do it already, but improve what You already have.

12 & 15. I'm NOT interested about YOUR Kami and Karavan PvP wars. I play this game for fun and those wars aren't fun for me. Stop trying to force me to take part of this PvP stuff, it will NEVER happen. I'm asking them to give neutral players ability play this game. This game requires good traveling possibilities, because it's too hard walk around. Teleports to all zones are needed, because harvesting and PvE hunting needs it. Stop limiting my options to have fun in this game, because of Your own fun.

I wouldn't say that it doesn't take anything away when you basically get rid of the exploration and the Interface interaction systems, because that's precisely what a detailed "wow like" map along with a free port fees would do...

Before the icons, they'd rather correct few things on the flag first: re-editing an existing flag name is a absolute pain when the title is too long, as it seems that I can't go back to the first letter: the keyboard arrow, instead of navigating through the flag text, makes me move or look left/right (depending on the view lock). So, fixing this and giving the ability to "re-edit all/sort all" directly through the compass's listing should come prior imo. Why?

Simply because the Map cannot work without the compass, neither the compass should work alone: give cool flags and a detailed map and you will simply get rid of this Map+Compass combo. Why should I use the compass to target an object if I can do it directly from the map?


For the Ports, it's a little bit more obvious: yes the feature already exist but I don't think you realize the griefing potential, the breach in term of balance and the complete destruction to the lore (any game's lore) of these "cheap" porting systems. Imagine Frodon and his silly crew porting directly to Mordor's volcano..


There is a nothing players tend to forget more easily than the notion of balance.

It's a simple notion and what you want is what we call in France "le beurre et l'argent du beurre" (I think you got the same in English.. but can't remember exactly): Here the balance between Neutral and Factions is based on mobility: you want Mobility, then you give up on the Safety; should you prefer Safety, then you give up on Mobility. It's a bit like the stanza system, every added Effect MUST add a equal amount of Credit, hehe. Currently, you are requesting both Safety and Mobility WITHOUT giving anything up in return... so I disagree.


I hope you understand now that when I said Congratulation, you are the 3rd side and thus a new pvp faction, I was merely suggesting a counter-action to balance your own. If you disagree.. then present me another counter-part that would make it up for the added mobility bonus given to Neutrals.

So what are you ready to give up for the added benefit of porting like the 2 factions?

sofiaoak wrote: 12 & 15. I'm NOT interested about YOUR Kami and Karavan PvP wars. I play this game for fun and those wars aren't fun for me. Stop trying to force me to take part of this PvP stuff, it will NEVER happen. I'm asking them to give neutral players ability play this game. This game requires good traveling possiblities, because it's too hard walk around. Teleports to all zones are needed, because harvesting and PvE hunting needs it. Stop limiting my options to have fun in this game, because of Your own fun.

No, you aren't asking for neutrals to be given the ability to play the game. You are asking for neutrals to be given the ability to play some other game. Like it or not, the Kami and the Karavan are part of the game. They have been since the start and will continue to be.

Aside from that have you given even the slightest thought as to how the changes you are asking for would affect the majority of players game time? Have you thought about how adding in a way to TP to any zone without aligning would ruin the storyline for people? Have you given any thought how doing what you ask would remove the benefit of aligning with a faction?

Or instead are you so stuck on making the game fit your rules, that you ignore how it would effect other peoples gameplay?

tr808 wrote:u made a chooice being neutral....... dont like to life without those tp's? go Kami or Karavan

QFE!!!!!!!

raynes wrote:Aside from that have you given even the slightest thought as to how the changes you are asking for would affect the majority of players game time? Have you thought about how adding in a way to TP to any zone without aligning would ruin the storyline for people? Have you given any thought how doing what you ask would remove the benefit of aligning with a faction?

Or instead are you so stuck on making the game fit your rules, that you ignore how it would effect other peoples gameplay?

Lets shut up a moment, seriously, and remember that these teleports were arbitrarily taken away.

What is being asked for is a RESTORATION of function, not a change, so that everyone can enjoy the game.

This is not a bad thing.

There are a couple of ways this could be done rather than the simplest of just restoring them.

1. Give neutrals one, or other faction TP in the 250 and PR zones, not both.
2. Add neutral TPs run by Tryton, requiring a special mission or series of tasks be performed before you're able to buy it.

Alternatively.

3. Punish factioned people similarly by restricting their access to certain zones. No Kara TPs in Kami 250 zones, to Kami TPs in Kara 250 zones and NOBODY getting PR zones for example.

sofiaoak wrote:Yeah, it happens pretty often, because people have strong opinions about they own playing styles. People care a lot about the games what they play.

So do you. And that´s completely OK, but what makes you think that your wishes shall be granted? Sorry to get a little cranky now, but you make it sound as if every other aspect of gaming except yours is "wrong".

sofiaoak wrote:I can respect You opinion about what You like, but it's what You like, not what I like. If walking would be so fun, then why don't we just remove all teleports from game and see how fun it is really walking around. Of cause that's not what I would suggest, because in reality people don't wanna walk too much. Short distances yes, but not long ones.

Yes, walking long distance can be fun, but not all the time in every day...

Please remeber, we had some time more to get used to this state of affairs.
And we saw it comming, so to speak. As this development was first announced a storm of rage swept through theses forums. Some people may even have left because of it. As ist is everytime the case when change happens. But most adapted and well, I think most even welcomed them and understood the consequences, after al little bit of thinking about them.

Now you please consider why these changes happen.
They are part of the Story. Consequenses of things that happened in the past two years.
Ryzom is a game that evolves partly by the players actions and yes, sadly sometimes that means there are negative consequences for these players.
If one looks back, the kind of "neutrallity" that evolved here was never planed by Nevrax. *sigh* Why they got rid of Elias Triton, with this comming is anyones guess though.

But people choose to be neutral in a world dominated by two, and I agree with a foreposter here, ONLY two factions.
To open up now a third party competition, just because something complicates YOUR gameplay and YOU aren´t willing to get over a little hardship because of it is simply selfdilusional. (Ok, it´s surely not only YOU, but this is what you make it soud like )

My Guild is Karavan aligned, yes. But we don´t PVP, we don´t own an Outpost. We use the Karavan TPs and we trade Catalysers and Materials without any difficulty. And as I said, sometimes I don´t even use the TPs because its just plain FUN to go exploring. Just the day before yesterday I discovered some new sights in Fyros, I´d never seen before.
So, why can´t you?

Ryzom is so different to other games, just because it does not spoonfeed you all it´s riches. You have to struggle a bit to get them. Come on, rise up to the challange. You can sit in your comfy chair in RL all you want, but his isn´t RL its a game about exploration and the struggle to rebuild a society. A bit of a walk INGame won´t make you loose your nice Gamers-tan, that would need an RL walk out in the open. But people don´t like them...

And please do change your tone of posting a bit. It may be just me, not a native speaker/reader to read a certain arrogance into it, but well... you tend to sound very demanding and yes, a bit arrogant.
My sencire appologies if I misinterpreted.

Acridiel

Edit because of posting time: Good Ideas Jim!!

alphacen wrote:So what are you ready to give up for the added benefit of porting like the 2 factions?

A lot's already been given up. What more do you want? Neutrals already make a greater sacrifice than any other group in the game.

And yes, they should be able to tag up, if they want to.

acridiel wrote:Now you please consider why these changes happen.
They are part of the Story. Consequenses of things that happened in the past two years.

Ryzom is a game that evolves partly by the players actions and yes, sadly sometimes that means there are negative consequences for these players.
If one looks back, the kind of "neutrallity" that evolved here was never planed by Nevrax. *sigh* Why they got rid of Elias Triton, with this comming is anyones guess though.

My Guild is Karavan aligned, yes. But we don´t PVP, we don´t own an Outpost. We use the Karavan TPs and we trade Catalysers and Materials without any difficulty. And as I said, sometimes I don´t even use the TPs because its just plain FUN to go exploring. Just the day before yesterday I discovered some new sights in Fyros, I´d never seen before.
So, why can´t you?

It isn't being arrogant, it's asking for equal treatment.
Giving the neutrals the means to play equally with the two factions DOES NOT IMPACT UPON THOSE FACTIONS it only increases the satisfaction of play to the same level for those who don't want to participate in the war.

The teleport change, not to mention other things that have happend, have not been part of the story, have not been explained. They have not happened in response to player actions or desires, they have been imposed.

A good games-master responds to how their players act, behave and wish. The neutrality that evolved here should have been responded to, incorporated, understood, the gameworld should have responded, storyline altered. Instead we got imposition, Nevrax steamrollered on with only the most limp of backhanded story excuses.

In tabletop we call this railroading.

As to becoming a faction simply in order to exploit what they have. This is very hard to justify in RP terms and restricts your options in other ways. It also bows to being forced which creates a false impression for Nevrax of people's desires.

Awwell... Ok, in a way I agree with you Jim that these changes came rather unexpected, but the way I see it there were enough warnings about a coming war and repercussions to those who would "follow Tryton", aka, the neutral way. But hey, that´s just me.

Btw. I think you and the Opener would make a nice couple *hides*

Acridiel