Ryzom

Voted no simply because it would enable those who like PvP to put contstraints on the game for those who dont get involved in PvP at all.

If it is balanced rigt, and if they look for a bit more feedback, it could be a good thing.

I think it should take the effort of diggers and crafters to actually build a spire. Once a spire is destroyed, the destroyer should have some window of opportunity to build without interference from the other faction. If they fail in that timeframe, NPC's should have rebuilt the oppositions spire.

This way, it is not just about bashing a spire and some guards and a couple of folks willing to attempt to defend it.

I actually think it could be an entertaining piece of the game. Could have an impact on OP battles, adds some interest. Now if they were to take a feature like this and then begin to expand upon it things could get better, the fact is all of the complaints are about having stuff taken away. Some people still complain abour neutral TP's or not having all TP access, so stuff like this is difficult.

I think if the buffs are done right, and applied to all folks aligned whether tagged or not, it gives reason for them to support the PvPers via whatever means that is. Will this cause difficulty as the day changes and the players change from Europeans to Americans? Who knows. Will it change on nice weekend days, when some folks have other stuff to do, sure. That is the whole point isn't it?

So I think in general it could be a nice feature. I think it would be interesting to add a neutral faction.

The development of the Ring will allow for much more PvE content to be developed more rapidly, so I am not incredibley worried about a lack of PvE content coming forward. I currently use TP's really only to travel to and from capitals, the running around to get to the various spots I need to get to is fine with me. I enjoy the landscapes.

As far as I am concerned, I am looking forward to Spires. People have been complaining of not having much to do... well, here you are.

If nothing else, it will certainly be interesting.

I voted no, just because I think they should go back and finish the encylopedia.

After playing the game since early 2004, thru FBT, I continued to enjoy the game immensely until PvP and the OP's arrived. Despite the positions put forth from many on the other side who had trouble seeing or just dismissed another person's POV, there actually was significant negative impact to the PvE only player. It separated the community into "have's" and "have not's", people got upset about being hammered when minding their own business, people missed their "access" and a large number of peeps left the game. Once OP battles started, those not interested in such things found themselves with many of their remaining buddies and even entire guilds gone and the rest almost always engaged in some sort of conflict. Even during the solitary task of digging, the chat channels were quiet as those peeps had to concentrate on the OP Battle.

I finally decided that I wasn't enjoying the game and just stopped playing. I'd pop in every two months or so just to chat with the freinds that are left and finally it semd that the OP war novelty wore off, stability reigned for the most part and OP Wars were an infrequent occurrence. I thought I might enjoy plaing again and found that I did.

Some good changes were implemented while I was gone, some bad. I understood the change which stopped neutrals from healing during OP battles but can't figure out what responsible parties were thinking with the reverse.

Some others have come creeping back and the community is for the most part happy and quiet aside from the "new content" cry. As indicated by the poll, to much of the community isn't interested in these spires. As indicated by the continued dropping % of the player base involving themselves in OP battles, the novelty has worn off. The game mechanics are such that there truly are no neutrals. One has to declare for one side or the other or be denied tp's so they have decided to pick a faction and then totally ignore what the devs want us to do with it.

I love the idea that players who enjoy the PvP aspect of the game be given the opportunity to enjoy it. If that's the style of play they enjoy, then they will participate whether or not there are any special rewards for doing so. Open up a new land which both factions want to colonize....implement the spires in order to gain control of the new land. Put some special goodies in there so that there is a reward system.

BUT.....make those same rewards available to other players with the neutral tag in the home lands. The basis of the lore of the game is the kitin invasions. Set up a corner of each land with spires that work perhaps against the kitins or the indiginous tribes (frahar, gibbaie, cutes) as they do with factions.

Treat the comminity like your children......despite their differnt likes nd dislikes we do try and treat them the same, feed them the same and support them the same.

jared96 wrote:As indicated by the poll, to much of the community isn't interested in these spires.

That's rather difficult to say. I can't read French or German, so I couldn't beging to assume what the players on ther other two servers think. And there is the fact that a games forums only represent a very, very small percentage of the population of a game.

I don't know how much market research went into the decision for Spires, how many requests were made to the development staff directly, rather than posted on the forums, or any other unposted information Nevrax went with.

I can say that I have spoken with more people in-game who are looking forward to Spires than I have against them, while on the forums it seems to be the other way around.

I suppose we shall see when Spires goes live, how well they will be accepted by the community at large. But I wouldn't start claiming "no new non-PvP content" just yet...

The development of Ryzom Ring was intended to give the developers an easy method to add content to the game. The fact that we will have access to it is more of a bonus, in my opinion. At this point, I am taking the "wait & see" approach to the whole thing. And while I am waiting and seeing, I will continue happily enjoying Atys.

Seems the numbers aren't even close. I know that everyone that plays didnt vote here, but i would wager the ratios are the same.

Looks like they are going to be implemented regardless.

*hopes for the best*

It's impossible to say whether the ratios of for vs against are accurately portrayed with the information available here. There are a variety of methods for players to offer feedback to developers, the forums only being one of them.

I understand that some want spires and some don't but trying to prove support, or lack thereof, with a forum poll is like trying to elect a president by reading bumper stickers.

larwood wrote:Seems the numbers aren't even close. I know that everyone that plays didnt vote here, but i would wager the ratios are the same.

Looks like they are going to be implemented regardless.

*hopes for the best*

rothimar wrote:It's impossible to say whether the ratios of for vs against are accurately portrayed with the information available here....

You are absolutely right. It is impossible. Just like its impossible to know which team will win the superbowl. You take the information you've been given, the numbers you _do_ have and make an estimate. Whats the use of doing a Poll if the losing side refutes the outcome because its not in their favor, and says "it's not representative"...

If you look at my verbage, I said I would "wager". I bet, that this pull will hold true if the entire community was included. I too play in-game, and most people I know are not happy about spires.

So... with the best information i've been given. I bet most people are unhappy with the idea of spires as they are currently planned.

But I did lose my superbowl bet last year. So what do I know?

larwood wrote:Whats the use of doing a Poll if the losing side refutes the outcome because its not in their favor, and says "it's not representative"...

I would hazard a guess that the poll feature comes with vBulletin, and it's fun for "favorite movie" sorts of polls, not really to gain the perspective of the player base regarding a feature.

Please forgive me if I sound confrontational... I don't mean to sound that way. My posts tend to get dry when I don't get enough sleep.