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kiexa wrote:I saw this thread is crap, and unreprosentivive.

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Whats your beef with Riveit ? This list doesn't show anything other than transitions in the game and has little bias other than references to Jena...

Are you mad that you, your guild or your unrepresentativeavatar didn't make the list ?

This was alot of work and a nice addition to the lore of this game...

GJ Riveit

[EDIT] This is the type of thing that should be on the official site, each server is supposed to be making their own history and it should be reflected officially.[/EDIT]

riveit wrote: Autumn, Harvestor
Great assault on Lost Valley by the Riders on the Storm repelled.[/indent]

TBH this is the only biased comment I can see, given there are no mention of other repelled attacks, great or otherwise.

aardnebb wrote:TBH this is the only biased comment I can see, given there are no mention of other repelled attacks, great or otherwise.

I think that Riv would have included all of the attacks that happened, if it had been realistic to do so... there have simply been too many to count and list so I would guess he picked one or two that particularly stuck in his mind for some reason. If I had been doing the lists I would have included the ones in FF, against Whirling before it was taken by Nexus, and the one yesterday against Malmont. I'm sure most people would pick a different few battles, but I personally would agree that that defence of LVS was a good one

sprite wrote:I think that Riv would have included all of the attacks that happened, if it had been realistic to do so... there have simply been too many to count and list so I would guess he picked one or two that particularly stuck in his mind for some reason. If I had been doing the lists I would have included the ones in FF, against Whirling before it was taken by Nexus, and the one yesterday against Malmont. I'm sure most people would pick a different few battles, but I personally would agree that that defence of LVS was a good one

A chronicle of all attacks would be very long indeed and I lack the data to make one. I did pick those two attacks because they seemed pivotal or significant in my opinion. I should have also included the two unsuccessful Flaming Forest attacks on that score. I could include only attacks with over 100 combatants? For now I will just drop all unsuccessful attacks off.

Doubletap its called a spelling mistake, stop trolling. I Stand by my point that this so called chronicle sums up the last 8 months of Atysian politics, I object to the words "taken by", as highlighted by Grimjim, "Sold to" "Given to" "Swapped" "Abandoned" should all be included. "Taken by" labels alot of guilds as aggresive, when in reality alot of the outpost owning guilds were/are excatly the opposite. Labelling everyone as "Takers" and neglecting the 'givers' gives a very poor representation for anyone who doesn`t know about past politics.

Including selected bias unsucessful attacks doesn`t make this a true chronicle of things. you have samsara listed as selling their OP at two separate dates which makes me think half of these dates are innacurate(theres one more for you to troll Doubletap).

As for having "beef with Riveit" not at all, just "beef" with this chronicle and selected words used in it. It is dressed up as a political view of OP`s with the inclusion at the start of kami/kara statements, then fails to describe or chronicle any of the politics of the transfers.

your list compiled in a different way (removing bias, offensive words and innacurate dates):

Fyros:
Blackburn Trade Post q50 - Eleytheria => Knights Levier
West Blackburn Border Post q100 - Dragon Order of Abylus
Hightowers Farm q150 - Fyros Defenders => Order of the Dragonblades
Southend Dune Farm q200 - Crescent Moon => Needed Storage => Eleytheria
Malmont Farm q200 - The Soul => Legion of Atys
Woodburn Magic Pole q250 - Atys Paladins
Woodburn Stronghold q250 -Samsara => Kings of Oblivion => The Soul

Matis:
Psykopla Knoll Trading Post q50 - Reapers of the Dark => The New Empire => Sacred Circle of Guardians
Finders Farm q100 - Cara Via => The New Empire
Wooky Workshop q150 - Citizenz of Matis => Cara Via => The New Empire
Berello Gorge Border Post q200 - Pegasus Foundation => Cara Via
Fearing Fen Farm q200 - Order of the Nameless => OmegaV => Reapers of the Dark
Westgrove Stronghold q250 - Order of the Nameless
Ginti Workshop q250 - Melinoe

Tryker:
Greenvale Trade Post q50 - Order of the Dragonblades => Veni Vidi Vici
Windway Workshop q100 - Pegasus Foundation => Atys Ghosts => Aedan Artisans => Atys Ghosts
Fount Porch Trade Post q150 - Nexus => Aeden Artisans
Graveyard Gate Research Centre q200 - Evolution => Ballistic Mystix
Twintops Workshop q200 - Red Ribbon Army
Loria Stronghold q250 - Evolution
Whirling Strongold q250- Band of the Hawks => OmegaV => Nexus

Zorai:
Qai-Du Workshop q50 - Eyeing Ewe Up => Guardians of the Lost
Sai-Shun Stronghold q100 - Riders on the Storm
Demons Crossroads Diplomatic Outpost q150 - Merchants of the Void => Emperor’s Fist => Team Spirit
Great Outback Workshop q200 - Atys Paladins => Fluffy Bunnies
Gu-Qin Workshop q200 - Twilight Whispers => Kings of Oblivion => Guardians of Jena
Zo-Kian Ruins Workshop q250 - Infinity => Citizens of Matis => OmegaV => Pegasus Foundation
Lost Valley Stronghold q250 - Elementals of Atys => Infinity => Merchants of the Void => Citizenz of Matis => OmegaV

hardly an accurate chronicle

kiexa wrote: I object to the words "taken by", as highlighted by Grimjim, "Sold to" "Given to" "Swapped" "Abandoned" should all be included. "Taken by" labels alot of guilds as aggresive, when in reality alot of the outpost owning guilds were/are excatly the opposite.

I thought 'taken by' was inoffensive, but apparently not to some. I deliberately left off information of conquests vs. handovers since I don't know on some transfers, a few others are open to intrepretation and dispute.

kiexa wrote:Including selected bias unsucessful attacks doesn`t make this a true chronicle of things.

I removed those two unsuccessful attacks but I hold it can be done in an unbiased fashion. Also, I would argue that having a chronology with some bias is better than having no chronology at all. Historians must comb every historical document for bias, but they do not just burn them all at the first hint of bias.

kiexa wrote:It is dressed up as a political view of OP`s with the inclusion at the start of kami/kara statements, then fails to describe or chronicle any of the politics of the transfers.

your list compiled in a different way (removing bias, offensive words and innacurate dates):

Yes, I agree a list does not describe the politics, which rather contradicts your first sentence. Your format is nice too. Although it removes the chronology which is sort of the whole point. I stand by my dates. Most are known within a day or two and specified within a 36 hour Atysian month. One or two transfers I only know the date within a week or so. The correspondance between RL and Atysian dates was borrowed from Blaah's calendar which seems to be quite accurate to me, certainly on a coarse scale of rl days. Look here for the sync times I used: http://atys.pri.ee/?page=sync


P.S. Two questions, you list Eyeing Ewe Up and Elementals of Atys as Kamist. Was that just a guess? Who are your sources for that information?

P.P.S. You missed Cara Via's stay in Lost Valley Stronghold.

riveit wrote:P.S. Two questions, you list Eyeing Ewe Up and Elementals of Atys as Kamist. Was that just a guess? Who are your sources for that information?

With regards to EoA, I presume he's referring to the "remade" EoA that had a brief existence as a kami guild long after the (in my opinion) "true" EoA was dissolved by Aajolea. ( Ah the old days of EoA/AoA vs DCP&others *sighs* )

I'm also fairly sure that they only tried to take the OP, they didn't manage it and Infinity took the OP as soon as the failed challenge had lapsed, then absorbed EoA into themselves. Could be wrong about that last part though.