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tylarth wrote:One cannot ignore a war <snip>, as it will effect all of Atys and its future<snip>

True, no argument.

tylarth wrote:Neutrality is turning a blind eye to the obvious struggle that will effect you, homins began to find this after the temples were constructed when the powers restricted universal teleport access, as the war intensifies so will the polarity of the factions, and the consequences to those who don't fight for them.

Neutrality is recognizing that "The Powers" who claim to represent Jena and Ma-Duk have done nothing to show us that they really do represent those "they" claim as deities. In fact, their very actions during and after the temple battles are directly counter to what they claim are the teachings of Jena and Ma-Duk. Neutrals are the only ones who have not been blinded or duped by "the powers". Karavan and Kami are NOT deities, but they are "The Powers".

tylarth wrote:A faction is a broad as those within its ranks, there are zealots and moderates, the resulting world is their vision, if you wish your vision in that too, the only option is the faction most adaptable to your beliefs.

There are three factions, never forget that. Neutrality is a faction.

Neutrality != pacifism.

katriell wrote:Neutrality != pacifism.

For Some it is Jelathnia. For the Rest of us....Well lets just say fight against both the Kami and the Karavan. For they have Deluded our fellow Homins into fighting their war amongst ourselves in the name of their Religion.

It Heartens me to Hear that others Understand Finaly the Lies the Kami and the Karavan have fed us....Xanthia you are not alone.

*excerpt from the Shadow Dragon, as spoken to his Lieutenants*

"Know then this... We the Dragons of Shadow Fight to rid ourselves of the Yoke and whip of the so called "powers", and follow the True Faith. We follow Jena and Ma'Duk. Go forth and Show them what Homin power is capable of."

For the homins who say that the powers do nothing to aid us well for a homin who has no faith it does appear that way.

If Ma-Duk or Jena were to intervene every time we had a struggle then how would we learn, It is not what happens that makes us strong, but the way we deal with what happens that truly makes us a stronger homin. We shouldn’t 'test' Ma-duk or Jena If they are as powerful as they claim they will know that there is a reason for everything.

Whether or not you like it, Even if you a natural you MUST accept, even partial the Kami or the Karavan. they both have mystical ways to teleport us from place to place over atys, and without them like would be allot more difficult. You must remember, that the Kami/Karavan save us and revive us as we are about to die, regardless of whether a homin claims that they do not have faith in either power.

I see a homin who claims that they do not have faith in either power (with a few exceptions) as a homin who is lost and a coward. They are too afraid to explore properly what each power has to offer and stand on the fence, waiting for an opportune moment.

I will also add this comment on the ongoing war : Jena and Ma-duk had been fighting long before it escalated to this extent. It was the powers that opened the old land. yes, but they did not ask us to fight for them, they only wanted raw materials to be crafted. It was homins who drew first blood, the Karavan nor the Kami have yet (AFAIK) to directly assault a homin.

I must leave this note here. As I am starting to get mildly angered.

Tyilin

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ffxjosh wrote: .. the Kami have yet (AFAIK) to directly assault a homin.

Dig a source where Kami tolerance has been completely exhausted, ignore their warnings, and you will see a direct assault.

As homins we have rebuilt or world well after the new beginning and have maintained good relations whenever a common enemy appeared. We would still be living in the darkness of the Prime Roots as small groups of lost homins if left on our own. The "Powers" made it so we could return to our fine lands and thrive, we owe them the worship they receive in turn.

I personnally saw the "Sister of Jena" return our young prince directly into the hands of Queen Lea, I need no more convincing of their power when they materialize before my own eyes. Live your lives as you so choose, make your choices wisely.

When the rapture comes and Jena arrives to bestow her great light on us all, will you be worthy of her graces ? I intend to be !

mehanson wrote:There are three factions, never forget that. Neutrality is a faction.

I don't know that I agree with that. Neutrality may be a choice, but until there is a creed, or a purpose that all Neutrals fight/support for/towards I do not agree with that.

Neutrals are not united under a single banner supporting a single cause. As everyone here has said, Neutral = all kinds of things and thoughts. Sorry, I don't think it is a faction. It is a choice, and that is about it.

*OOC note.... this is all ment to be in character...Didnt want anyone to "accidentaly confuse" my statements /OOC*
*IC*

ffxjosh wrote:*snip*
If Ma-Duk or Jena were to intervene every time we had a struggle then how would we learn, It is not what happens that makes us strong, but the way we deal with what happens that truly makes us a stronger homin. We shouldn’t 'test' Ma-duk or Jena If they are as powerful as they claim they will know that there is a reason for everything.

This I agree on.

ffxjosh wrote:*snip*
Whether or not you like it, Even if you a natural you MUST accept, even partial the Kami or the Karavan. they both have mystical ways to teleport us from place to place over atys, and without them like would be allot more difficult. You must remember, that the Kami/Karavan save us and revive us as we are about to die, regardless of whether a homin claims that they do not have faith in either power.

Intresting how they will revive us over and over and over...And yet they do not Teach us how, so that we may stand on our own and be treated as equals? Whats to Say they are not reviving us for their own twisted Experiment? An experiment in the works for over 2 millenia?

ffxjosh wrote:*snip*
I will also add this comment on the ongoing war : Jena and Ma-duk had been fighting long before it escalated to this extent. It was the powers that opened the old land. yes, but they did not ask us to fight for them, they only wanted raw materials to be crafted. It was homins who drew first blood, the Karavan nor the Kami have yet (AFAIK) to directly assault a homin.

I must leave this note here. As I am starting to get mildly angered.

Tyilin

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While that is true they have been fighting each other for a very long time before recent events...But isnt that expected between rival Gods? As to the "Powers" not asking us to fight for them... I fear you are sadly mistaken...They did infact tell us to "stop" the other side from Digging by any means neccsary... Both the Kami and Karavan.
As Riveit has stated

riveit wrote:Dig a source where Kami tolerance has been completely exhausted, ignore their warnings, and you will see a direct assault.

The Kami do infact directly attack Homins...The Karavan do as well, Just not out in the open where we can see them...Ever wonder what happens to the many homins who have simply dissapeard and the following investigations turn up nothing?

raisrev1 wrote: ... I fear you are sadly mistaken...They did infact tell us to "stop" the other side from Digging by any means neccsary... Both the Kami and Karavan.

If I recall correctly, only the Kami told their followers to attack the Karavan diggers in the ancient lands. The Kami have also told their followers to replace the dangerous unbalancing Karavan drills with Kamist tree bores at outposts.

riveit wrote:If I recall correctly, only the Kami told their followers to attack the Karavan diggers in the ancient lands. The Kami have also told their followers to replace the dangerous unbalancing Karavan drills with Kamist tree bores at outposts.

The Karavan did as well... Tell their Followers to Stop the Kami by any means
necessary. As to the Drills I Have no Clue as The Dragons of Shadow do not have Access to an Out-Post at this point in time and do not follow either the Kami or Karavan.