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simiant wrote:According to the lore/info in game, some Homins did not retreat to the Roots, but scattered on the land trying to survive.. Eventually the youth travelled to the Ruins of Silan as refugees to start a new life...

Chiang explains this to you in your first conversation with him.. if you forgot the specifics or just sorta skipped it.. you can see what he says in the new starter guide cartoon, which is available here: http://www.ryzom.com/documentation/Manu ... f/download

Looks like its been rewritten again then.

i actually edited it a bit adding the part from the website's lore section.. dunno if its been rewriten though, the lore..

simiant wrote:i actually edited it a bit adding the part from the website's lore section.. dunno if its been rewriten though, the lore..

It has, we've noticed changes a couple of times that shifted the emphasis and the way the lore's been read over time.

This just shows what I find confusing and unclear. Much is implied rather than stated clearly. Here's an example:

simiant wrote: Many homins were able to escape through mysterious teleportation 'rainbows' leading to safe haven

Where is the "safe haven"? The old lands are under attack. Is the safe haven the new lands, or the Prime Roots? One thing I have never understood, if the latter: how could the safe haven be the Prime Roots when the Kitins came from the Prime Roots in the first place? It would be like fleeing from the Promised Land to Italy to escape the Romans back in 100 B.C.

until these too were destroyed by kitins.

Until what was destroyed by the Kitins? "These" could mean either (a) the rainbows, or (b) the safe havens. If the safe havens were the newfound lands, then "these" would seem to mean the "rainbows." If, however, "safe havens" was the Prime Roots, then "these" would make more sense to mean the "safe havens" themselves. (I.e. the homins fled to a new place, not realizing it was the belly of the beast, and then got nailed afterwards).

There may be other lore elsewhere that clarifies this sentence, but the text, as it stands in these few paragraphs, is entirely ambiguous.

Homins remaining in the infested lands could but flee into the wilds where they were forced to live nomadic lives in constant fear of kitin attack...

Are the wilds here the infested lands themselves? If so, how does one flee from A, into A? It would seem no flight has then occurred. Thinking about a more familiar setting, imagine if they had written, "Homins remaining in South America fled to Brazil or Argentina..." (in other words, they didn't really go anywhere). Are the wilds part of the old lands, or someplace else? Is Silan "the wilds" in this context? Perhaps one of many camps like it?

My guess would be "Fled the cities in the old lands to live in the wilds in the old lands, still in fear of the Kitins" is what this text means but, again, it is entirely unclear and can be taken multiple ways.

I stand by what I said earlier. They need to get someone to go through and re-write this to be clearer.

C

simiant wrote:dunno if its been rewriten though, the lore..

Repeatedly, that's half the problem The reasoning behind it is that as homins progress they find out more information about the past and some things are corrected/removed/added to bring it more inline with their current thinking - the problem occurs when older players remember the "old lore" and most people don't keep re-reading the lore to see if anything has changed.

Here is what confuses me, from the "New Beginning" part of the website's lore section:

Up until the dark days of the exile, the homin peoples had always lived separately. The collapse brought them together. The refugees of the Prime Roots had no other choice but to learn to tolerate one another and live together. They made ready their return to the surface and declared the Edict of the Four Peoples. This agreement foresaw a sharing of the new lands according to the territorial preference of each race. In 2483, when they finally returned to the surface, the Zoraïs regained possession of the jungle, whilst the Matis took the forests, the Fyros took the deserts and the Trykers took the lakes.

Notice the part I bold/underlined. This makes it seem like the "wilds" we've been living in up until going to Silan are the Prime Roots, NOT the old lands. This is what I mean... Different pages imply different things. The one you cited implies we are living in the wilds of the old (surface, non-prime-roots) lands, where our civilization was, but is now destroyed. The quote I cited implies we've been living in the prime roots instead.

Thus, I am confused. Which one is right?

Now, it may be as follows:

1. Kitins attack the old lands. Civilizations are destroyed
2. Rainbow gates appear (source?) leading to the Prime Roots -- to a spot where there are no kitins (safe havens).
3. Some homins escape to the safe area of the prime roots, until the kitins destroy "these" rainbow gates.
4. The remainder are stuck to eke out existince in the gutted old lands, hiding from kitins in the wilds and avoiding what used to be the main population centers for fear of kitin attacks.
5. The Prime Roots guys are able to, in relative safety, retain most of their culture/civilization. When the time comes, they return to the surface to the New Lands.
6. Once they re-establish their cultures in the New Lands, they send the rangers out looking for those nomadic people left in the old lands.
7. Those found, are taken by the rangers to Silan, where they can prepare for their re-acculturation into Homin society on the new lands.

That's the best I've been able to unravel it but I find it all very confusing.

For my part, I have assumed Sandaara was with an extended-family sized tribe, nomadic, living in the old surface lands (not the prime roots, and surely not another planet). When the rangers found them, she was the only one brave enough to go with them -- the others were either too old, or afraid to leave the familiar, if harsh, existence.

C

chessack wrote: That's the best I've been able to unravel it but I find it all very confusing.

That seems quite likely to me as well.

Like I said earlier, if you consider some of the groups that escaped to the Prime Roots were left behind when the majority came up to repopulate the New Lands, you have the potential for refugees to be drawn from both Old Lands AND Prime Roots snd the reason for much confusion.

simiant wrote: Kitins were huge insects that inhabited the Prime Roots. One day, in their interminable quest for the Dragon, Fyros excavators uncovered a nest of the creatures. Fraught with fear and horror, their immediate reflex was to destroy the first giant insects they came across. But alerted by the slaughter, legions of soldier kitins suddenly surged forth from underground galleries to eradicate what they considered as their natural enemy. And so the Great Swarming began... Homin cities were decimated after epic battles, entire populations were massacred and precious knowledge lost. And still the kitins spread over the Bark like wildfire and one after the other the great civilizations crumbled to dust.

You mean like here in the chronicles?
Maybe there´s more to come, this story is finished in Part 2 and 3 and it tells an interesting tale. *shivers*

Acridiel

chessack wrote:Here is what confuses me, from the "New Beginning" part of the website's lore section:

Up until the dark days of the exile, the homin peoples had always lived separately. The collapse brought them together. The refugees of the Prime Roots had no other choice but to learn to tolerate one another and live together. They made ready their return to the surface and declared the Edict of the Four Peoples. This agreement foresaw a sharing of the new lands according to the territorial preference of each race. In 2483, when they finally returned to the surface, the Zoraïs regained possession of the jungle, whilst the Matis took the forests, the Fyros took the deserts and the Trykers took the lakes.

Notice the part I bold/underlined. This makes it seem like the "wilds" we've been living in up until going to Silan are the Prime Roots, NOT the old lands. This is what I mean... Different pages imply different things. The one you cited implies we are living in the wilds of the old (surface, non-prime-roots) lands, where our civilization was, but is now destroyed. The quote I cited implies we've been living in the prime roots instead.

Thus, I am confused. Which one is right?

C

My understanding is that there are 2 refugee events.. the return from prime roots of the 4 races as a group, which then split up to claim parts of the new lands, then the refugees, which we are part of, of the old tribes that had stayed on the surface, now joining the new lands after being visited by the ones who returned to the surface.. After all, the mainland has established cities and whatnot, that we are 'training' to take a part of.. The story doesnt seem too convoluted to me.. but i've spot some time reading through em, a few times...

I.e refugee in both story parts refer to different sets of events/people, and is used as a generic term, not "The Refugees"

So the timeline..
1. fyros find kitins, kill them
2. kitins retaliate, destroy civilisation
3. some homins retreat to 'safe heavens' through 'rainbows' (i assume colourful portals, such as a wormhole type of deal)
4. kitins destroy the rainbows, probably stranding some homins who have to then survive in the wild (our ancestors)
5. the homin of the safe heavens, working together, return and claim new lands, and split up, rebuilding a bit of civilisation
6. homin travel to the old lands, find the poor saps left behind during the exodus to the heavens... the elders of the wild-groups convince us poor youngin to travel to the new lands to start a new life
7. here we are at the ruins of silan..

The wilderness we came from is on the surface.. we are here in the new land to rejoin the homin who had returned from the heavens.

I think of the old lands as some layer deeper in PR. We have been told Atys is growing, and you can see the continued growth overhead like giant branches. If you listen, sometimes you can actually hear their lowsonic creacking. There actually exist some branches you can run up to get an impressive overview in the lakelands.

We also saw that Elias Tryton has ventured deeper into the PR to seek knowledge. Some of us even supported a lone ranger down to the upper layer of PR. And he would would try to venture deeper in search for Elias and his mates.

As to how deep the old lands lay, I cannot say. But I am fairly sure at one point it was on the surface. Thus the new lands we are rebuilding is the new surface of Atys