Isle Community versus Mainland Community

[pugmak]

"I really am at a loss here. The Ryzom community, including what I have seen on the newbie island, is the best I have yet to come across in any MMORPG. The people chatting in regional use actual English in their posts -- I don't think I have yet once seen any actual "leet speak", and even abbreviations seem to be kept to a minimum. There is a much higher degree of literacy and "typography" in the Ryzom community, including people generally typing full (or nearly full) sentences, with proper spelling (apart from the occasional typo), and grammar, and the like. This strikes me as symptomaic of a mature and thoughtful audience, not an immature or childish one."


Oh now I'm going to be all paranoid about my spellering and gramaticles.
It is so not my fault. When I was a youngster it was the hazy dazy daze of the 60's and early 70's and the general attitude of the teachers was, "well, if you want to learn, fine, if not I'll just give you a P for pass."


But, on topic a bit. I've spent alot of time on newbielandia and I tend to agree with the guy that's gone and got me all flustergibbity about what letters go in what order and where'd I put that comma at, anyway?

[radient]

Ok, I knew I shoud have probably clarified this a bit more when I posted. But I was wanting to get back to gaming so I hurried a bit more then normal.

The chat channels are as good, or better then any I have seen. I assumed that was the case because shortly after I started playing there was a player who started using language that had a GM confront them. The person argued with the GM in the channel for upwards of an hour, or at least it felt like that. That is rude behavior.

The other thing I hate is kill stealing. Accidents happen, and I probably have accidently done it myself. But to constantly see it from some players tells me they are there only to grief people. But some of what goes on their reminds me of the worse day I ever saw on WOW like when a new server started. But it has been every day there. Ok, I have been there 3 days is all. Maybe it is not the frequency, but some of the attitudes associated with it that bothers me so much.

In my original post I thought I stated that my complaint was about a minority of the people. I do not want to overstate the amount. There is a list of names of people there who seem to put a lot of time in, and make it quite fun. Yesterday we had a GM event take place on the island, which was interesting and fun.

Please take my post as just a small question, and not a large statement about everyone I have encountered. I would also assume a game that has PvP in it has a way of getting policed as well.

[chessack]

I can understand how the language argument you witnessed could be a turn off. Having not seen it myself, I can't really speak to what happened. I don't think that one argument should be considered representative of the community. Perhaps the GM just let it go on too long... but I will not judge that as I did not see what happened.

As for KSing... I haven't ever been KSed really. This is hunting in all parts of the island, for 50 levels of fight/melee, 38 of magic/offensive magic, etc. Occasionally someone targets the same mob as you and kills it... if it only happens once I assume it was an accident. I have done this by accident too. As soon as I see it happen, I say "Sorry" and immediately move to another spot so as not to interfere with that person, and in my experience the very few times it has happened to me, the same thing was done by the other person (which is why I do not consider it to be KSing... by definition, IMO, you cannot KS by accident, only on purpose).

The KSing seems to be your biggest complaint here, since the language argument issue is about just ONE person. You do have to realize that this is newbie island. Newbies may not be people from other MMOs who know what the "rules of conduct" are. They may well be true newbies, who don't even know what "kill stealing" is. I try to allow for that in a newbie area.

It seems to me like what you are saying is, "Hey, on newbie island a lot of people act like newbs." Well yeah. You kinda have to expect that.

C

[thebluer]

I agree that killstealing can be annoying, but I always think one has to be careful judging there: too often I have thought someone just attacked a mob I was already working on when after the kill that person accused me of kill-stealing - in other MMORPGs that is. So I guess often you can't really tell who attacked first, and as often it doesn't really matter either as long as someone is not constantly repeating to grief you away. Of course thats exactly what someone obviously did to you and I seriously think that's a very, very rare exception on Atys.

Anyways i haven't seen anyone attacking the same mob as me unless I was obviously fleeing, was in a team with that player or there was some kind of misunderstanding. So I hope that won't happen to you anymore. If you can wait about another week, I might be able to give you my first community impressions from the mainland.

See you around,
Marten

[pugmak]

radient:

Relax, it's all good. Most folk here know what you were asking and why.

I've seen some newberts being tardatious on the NPE but that wont fly on the mainlands at all. Folk like that tend to get the "unwelcome mat" upside their heads repeatedly until they either reform their nasty ways or disappear.

With any influx of new blood, some of that blood will be tainted but the body will clean itself up quickly enough.

Still and all tho, I've been mostly impressed by many, if not most, of the newbies drifting into the NPE.

The ugly ones do stand out when the pop up tho, dont they?

[chessack]

They do stand out. But I think the fact that they stand out says a lot about the general population. If much of the population were unpleasant, then you wouldn't notice the one guy being rude. That fact that it's noticeable and remarkable is due to the generally high quality of the population.

C

[mehanson]

Been playing an alt on the new starter island since a day or two after the "patch", and I play at various times of the day due to my freaky work schedule.

There are times of the day when it seems Silan is populated by "less than mature" individuals, and at those times I tend to go off by myself and play alone. I've seen a little deliberate kill stealing, and some deliberate repeated ganking of harvesters in the arena, and I've seen a lot of undesirable language. But only during those certain times of the day, which seem to correspond to the time between school letting out and dinner going on the table in USA timezones (not a very good recommendation for the youth of my native country).

Most of the time the community on Silan is an inexperienced reflection of the mainland community. My alt has a goal of teaching a few of these newbies the proper way to team and communicate, if he can develop the patience necessary....

[raisrev1]

Been playing an alt on the new starter island since a day or two after the "patch", and I play at various times of the day due to my freaky work schedule.

There are times of the day when it seems Silan is populated by "less than mature" individuals, and at those times I tend to go off by myself and play alone. I've seen a little deliberate kill stealing, and some deliberate repeated ganking of harvesters in the arena, and I've seen a lot of undesirable language. But only during those certain times of the day, which seem to correspond to the time between school letting out and dinner going on the table in USA timezones (not a very good recommendation for the youth of my native country).

Most of the time the community on Silan is an inexperienced reflection of the mainland community. My alt has a goal of teaching a few of these newbies the proper way to team and communicate, if he can develop the patience necessary....

You! Patience!?!...NEVER!... But yeh that does seem to be the time of day on almost all MMO's ive been in to be the "worst" time when it comes to immature "kids".

[sx4rlet]

I havent been on Silan a lot, but the times I was there, it seemed very nice. Yes some less nice messages, but nothing serious.

The thing that really amazed me, was when somebody does a WTS of LFG in universe chat. Most of the time players tell the person who does that to shout it in region. Most times even before the GM's can react. Now that is really something I think, that we, as players, try to keep the community healthy.

So even if there are some less nice persons on Silan now (not sure if there are, but IF) then it seems we try to teach them to behave as good and as soon as possible.
So don't worry too much Radient

[radient]

First of all I do understand the difference between deliberate KSing and the accidents that take place. I had someone yesterday, who has been very nice, "appear" to KS from me. However knowing the latency that games have and the angles that were involved I do not think for a second that they did anything malicous. Then I killed the specialist bandit as someone came charging up (I was working on melee at the time myself), when I asked then they had been waiting for the spawn for one of the quests and I was just wanting to get rid of an aggressive mob None of those things are kill stealing in my book. Also I have seen less of it as you get into the harder mobs on Noobie Island

I only saw one event that I considered rude, and it was by someone who represented themself as a seasoned player of SoR. A new player was asking if you could get directions from guards like you do in some other games. This season player then decided to rip into the player and the other games. I guess that is a big turn off for me. However, unlike some other chat channels I have been in on other games, other seasoned players jumped in and were very helpful. So in the end I did see a very positive characteristic come out of the community in response to what was at first an unfriendly comment.

Now if I had not had to reroll my character 3 times I would be off this island and seeing things for myself on the mainland.