OP war today

[ajsuk]

And yet again I find myself agreeing with Jayce. What is this world coming to?

Anywayz, my input:
It's an OP. Currently they are designed to be fought over.
I understand the previous owners/shared owners being upset, but its just one of those things. The OP was freed up for a reason(s). Someone had to declare on it, Cara Via got there first, oh well...

(That'll prolly be the only input from me, unless I have something I consider senseable to reply to.)

[lathan]

I think one of the worst things that has been happening to this community recently is the way that the forum has crossed over into game in certain ways, and vice-versa. I will attempt to put it in terms of sides A and B, not because anyone will be unsure as to which side is which, but to try and at least give some chance for objectivity in those reading.

So side A does something in game that side B doesn't like. Side B feels that they are justified in this dislike of the action, and so bring it to the attention of the community via the forums, and the community decides whether or not to take action based on the information and counter-information given.

Next time side B does something that side A doesn't like, they put it up on the forum, and again the community acts on the information given. So this becomes a regular to-ing and fro-ing between the two sides. Then one side stops using the forum like that, and the other side doesn't.

So what now? Every time B does something that A doesn't like, A post about it. This annoys B ("Why do they have to post about it every time? You don't see us posting every time they do something we don't like") and so, being sick of this treatment, they decide that rather than answer what's been posted on the forum, they will answer it in-game. By taking a harder line. By continuing the things that A don't like. Consequently, the posts continue, and the line gets harder. Repeat until we all turn blue (and not as a racial preference).

So.. who is to blame, and how do we fix it? As far as I can see, A and B have both made mistakes. People on both sides (individuals and guilds) have done questionable things (some have done some downright wrong things) and not all have tried to attone for these actions.

As for how to fix it, one side can't. That much is obvious. Side B need to stop using their anger at posts to spur them on to do things that (let's be honest) they know are going to lead to more posts of the same ilk. They need to be more open about their intentions, and if people from Side A constantly call them liars, they will be quickly proved wrong and discredited.

Side A need to stop posting for support in such a way. Talk to the people who need to know in game. It's easy enough to find out who guild leaders are. PM those that are likely to give you support, or that you would hope that might not help side B, given some information they are lacking beforehand. That way you can put your arguments to them, and hear their arguments back, and who knows, maybe everyone will make moves with just a little bit more of an informed stance.

This isn't a dig at either side, or the original poster (sry if I hijacked this thread too much, but it seemed like a good place to start). And yes, I do know all the details of this particular incident, and have picked a side accordingly for this afternoon.

Also, I'd like to say that obviously, this is all just my opinion of what needs to change, but that also it's a very informed one. I've spoken to a lot of people on both sides over the last few days about what has been going on lately in game, and a lot of people have shared their frustrations and concerns with me. This game has only briefly felt fun recently, especially in the area of outposts. Hopefully there will be some changes coming, otherwise there are a great number of people that I can't see staying for much longer.

[raven41]

Acually I am glad he posted here because if he had not I would not have known
About the fight untill I had already missed it ..TY Baf.. Ill be there if I can log on at that time....

On that note im sure im not the only one that would not have known if not for the post ...Not everyone plays daily/hourly and can be informed ingame,since I surely would not have logged on untill after the battle today,And would have missed any chance for any kind of "fun" that could be...Now lets not flame anyone and just see eachother on the battle field ...(and lets be the good comunity I know we can be and not flame in region )

Asking for help on the forums is not going anywhere and im glad its not.

[edit] im doing my best to stay positive here but between RL and ingame frustrations its not very easy sometimes ...I don't really like the way OPs are but we cant do anything about it atm so we can atleast try to have fun when they do happen....like me almost taking my moms op in matis with 3 ppl (me,Mastro and kaetami) because they underestimated us...btw i didnt want to take that OP because its my moms o.o

[xzizoux]

Baffos,i´m Proud to fight side by side with u in this battle,let´s get this OP back to his real owner



Lexius
Merchants of Void
(searching for his Lost Friends Sumsum and Uma)



"""Noobish by Nature"""

[kaetemi]

Announcing your attack on public forums will result in more enemies being there

[lorac]

as most of u know there is a whole mess and serious cheating for the currenet owner to achieve that
Soul and Kings of Oblivion (which were deleted) were the owners of this op before this fraud happen

The current owner is me and I do take exception to this statement. CaraVia had no involvement in the events that caused this outpost to become available and a simple tell from someone in the area of "Hey, come look at this!" was all that was necessary for me to get to this banner first. And I was first only by a couple of mins. Our postion on this whole matter has been discussed with GM.

I've seen simular comments about our declaration on the Lost Valley outpost also. And this was simply a case of watching the banner and waiting for defence time only to see it unexpectedly return to peace. Both Void outposts sat in that state for almost an hour.

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.

[philu]

The current owner is me and I do take exception to this statement. CaraVia had no involvement in the events that caused this outpost to become available and a simple tell from someone in the area of "Hey, come look at this!" was all that was necessary for me to get to this banner first. And I was first only by a couple of mins. Our postion on this whole matter has been discussed with GM.

I've seen simular comments about our declaration on the Lost Valley outpost also. And this was simply a case of watching the banner and waiting for defence time only to see it unexpectedly return to peace. Both Void outposts sat in that state for almost an hour.

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.

Lorac, this is the first comment I personally have read from Cara Via concerning this whole sorry incident. I would like to thank you for stating your guilds position on the OP.

It would be sad if your moment of opportunism was to taint your guild with the same evil stench as the perpetrator of the dastardly deed. I'm sure you'd agree it wasn't the best way for you to gain control.

[aek21]

this post is personal and doenst represent either other players or my guild

if i could i would have roll back server and i m sure other guilds would have greater lost from that
/point ur guild

i may have already send a ticket for my thoughts plus any information i had in my hands of the incident but thats something confidencial between me and the nevrax company so i guess u will never know that

i never gave any players names or reffered to any guilds at my first post either sides or give any more information than nevrax has done

i was afraid that this post may come to this point so here is my answer to you

u blame for spying u blame gor many attacks u blame for many op wars at the same time u blame for alter guilds declaring wars (whats not allowed of these?)

but u dont blame urself for the means u use to gain it
u dont blame urself for the power u have give those people of ur side to mess around with community

is easy to blame each other and hard for all to come to an agreement of who is responsible for the mess

but i wonder.....why didnt u cancelled the attack when on previous post people asked that till the whole issue is investigated?

i could easily make a poll and ask ur opinion about the issue
well there u go then

here is my poll



there is one side who will fight for to own back something that trully belong and have paid for it and one side that will defend an op that they won without people even be able to defend it by using advantage of a fraud

of cource there will be another side
the one who will decide to stay neutral
people who cant be there people who preffer to lvl coz thats more important
and the people that dont see the bigger idea and the kami/kara war
make them blind



finally.......
/bow piri for her support and lawyer skills

P.S that op will still be a main target for the karavan side is up to u when u want to come claim it with a proper deffence
we know u will and u are more than welcome to as long as u use the right means
i personally have congratulate u once for the victory at malmomt and will do again if u worth it

my 3 dappers (bloddy inflation)

You know what? It this kind of post that makes me hate the forums. If you want to challenge an OP, do it. If you want to do a "call to arms" post, great. If you want to give IC reasons for your challenge, that's fine. But if you want to bash the integrity of the players you're attacking... keep it to yourself.

The people that engaged in unethical behavior have been banned including the guy that was holding Kings of Oblivion and the OP. If you believe CV did something unethical or any of the folks that were there did something unethical, submit a ticket. But bashing all of us on the forum is NOT making the community better in any way.

[noceros]

It may not be the best way for someone to gain control, but at the time, it was the only way. And if it hadn't been Cara Via, it would have been someone else... only a matter of time. Who's to say who the rightful owner is or which faction should be allowed to take over? As has been said time and time again, OPs are here to be fought over, so let's quit complaining and settle it the old-fashioned way!

[rundll32]

there is one side who will fight for to own back something that trully belong and have paid for it

1.) Outposts dont belong to any one guild. They are not static.

2.) I did suggest at the time that buying an outpost seemed pretty pointless but i was trolled.