Time has come...

[norvic]

This has more to do with a United and free Lakelands than any other issue.

Tryker for the Trykers! above faction and all other concerns.

Again I call on all free thinking Homins of all faiths,nations and alliances to Aid the tryker people in their attempt to prevent the annexation of Loria by Jinjovitch Matis, as it was before, and so preserve the freedom and good nature of our beloved Lakelands.

[marct]

This has more to do with a United and free Lakelands than any other issue.

Tryker for the Trykers! above faction and all other concerns.

Again I call on all free thinking Homins of all faiths,nations and alliances to Aid the tryker people in their attempt to prevent the annexation of Loria by Jinjovitch Matis, as it was before, and so preserve the freedom and good nature of our beloved Lakelands.

Last I checked, which is daily Jinjovitch has never even spoke to any member of OmegaV. Maybe you should talk to some OmegaV instead of spreading propoganda of why they are there.

Beyond that, you may wish to examine the treaty recently signed by all four leaders of the homin nations. It puts your initial allegiance to your Faith, and your secondary allegiance to your nation. It appears to me that you think our leaders were wrong, and nation should come first. But I will not put words in your mouth, instead I will wait for your reply to clarify your position.

[norvic]

You request clarification so i offer you this only. I have no desire to see this thread degenerate and will not reply again and stand by my original posting.

a: http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php ... stcount=36

b: Respectfully ask you to read the lore

c: Could be any guild of either faction of any race (except Tryker) not an attack on O5 for being O5

[philu]

hehe - I'm not at all bothered if they just want to fight. That is the point of OPs after all. Good luck to them infact. I'm just expressing my feelings on the 'reasons' given. Just do it so we can have fun, not make up drivel.

Well you complained when people shot down your RP reason for the Yrkanis Shield, then call their RP reason drivel? I think trying to kick a Matis guild out of Tryker is a valid RP reason for the attack. However, if OV are NOT a Matis based guild then you're right, the reason is invalid. After the fallout from the Yrk Shield proclamation, you really shouldn't smack people for trying to RP.

You're right about the Tryker guilds, BUT Geniastrid did say the "loria op gifts" haven't gone to the tryker. Not other OPs just this one. Are you saying that the 'gifts' from theOP HAVE gone to the guilds you named?

Last I checked, which is daily Jinjovitch has never even spoke to any member of OmegaV.

Be amazing if he did, isn't he dead?? Or do you guys not mean Jinovitch the former (very dead) matis leader who invaded tryker?

[arfindel]

[...]Beyond that, you may wish to examine the treaty recently signed by all four leaders of the homin nations. [...]

"III. We recognize the advantage of outposts being held by Homin Guilds in this time of expansion and growth, but have decided that the secular powers will not be responsible for keeping the peace in any disputed ownership suits. We hereby state that no rulling power will intervene in any way in any disagreement or fight relating to outpost ownership unless it should represent a major threat to National security or the stability of a Nation's political system." (my underlining)

National security and having major military strongholds in a border area controlled by foreign powers have some incompatiblity.
While the 'stability of the Tryker Nation political system' is in high danger ever since Still Wyler assassination.
Of course the Matis Crown, wanting to clean any suspicion that might taint their relations to the Lakes, could diplomatically give up Whirling Stronghold to a genuine kara tryker guild - Nexus - by simply not defending ,)

[marct]

b: Respectfully ask you to read the lore

Understand your position, but Stil Wyler did sign, and first none the less, not under duress. Not only that, he begged the otehrs to sign.

What lore do you ask about? I was merely stating that the supposed Matis homin whom you referenced does not speak to OV, or direct OV. So claiming someone is directing us to annex is false.

I just ask folks talk to OmegaV instead of talking for OmegaV.


P.S. Just wondering if Order of the Dragonblades is next then? Or is this really just against OV?

[marct]

"III. We recognize the advantage of outposts being held by Homin Guilds in this time of expansion and growth, but have decided that the secular powers will not be responsible for keeping the peace in any disputed ownership suits. We hereby state that no rulling power will intervene in any way in any disagreement or fight relating to outpost ownership unless it should represent a major threat to National security or the stability of a Nation's political system." (my underlining)

National security and having major military strongholds in a border area controlled by foreign powers have some incompatiblity.
While the 'stability of the Tryker Nation political system' is in high danger ever since Still Wyler assassination.
Of course the Matis Crown, wanting to clean any suspicion that might taint their relations to the Lakes, could diplomatically give up Whirling Stronghold to a genuine kara tryker guild - Nexus - by simply not defending ,)

I repeat, the 'Matis Crown' has NOTHING to do with OmegaV.

P.S. How is anyone to know what Civilization allegiance a guild has? Much less what the makeup of their guild is.

[kyesmith]

Or is this really just against OV?

awww poor you- your guild only controls 1/4 of atys Q250 crsytals- are the nasty homins picking on you.

[yaten]

Just saying: I believe Evolution issn't in the KA.

If I understand it right, Nexus intends to free the lakelands from the KA, and then the Matisians are there main concern, they do not intend to free the lakelands from Karavaneers.

Threbus,

Darn, it doesn't do nested quotes ... so you're saying AA and BM DO have cause to worry for outposts in Tryker lands due to this? If Nexus feels otherwise, they should probably say so...

[threbus]

Darn, it doesn't do nested quotes ... so you're saying AA and BM DO have cause to worry for outposts in Tryker lands due to this? If Nexus feels otherwise, they should probably say so...

If I understand the post made by Geniastrid, it is also an act against the whole KA not just the Matis-KA. I do not however represent Nexus so I'm not 100% sure about this. If I'm wrong, and I hope so, they will not act against Tryker guilds.

Jayce: Sorry that I misunderstood you