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Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:56 pm
by marct
kibsword wrote:Maybe its something to do with this nano seed thing?
Can you say the Kami have tagged you with an natural RFID??? And here some folks thought the Karavan were evil!!!

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:07 pm
by sk8rss
marct wrote:Can you say the Kami have tagged you with an natural RFID??? And here some folks thought the Karavan were evil!!!
Or we in fact came from Atys, so our seed is there because of it. All Atysian things have these seeds, Atys itself has one. So the Kami aren't evil, they have them too. It is the Karavan that are strangers on this planet, they don't have them, which makes them a disease. A festering wound on Atysian crust.

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:32 pm
by calel
Unless you are talking about Karavan officers and the like, of which absolutely no one but them themselves would know it, all homins have this seed in them. It is because of this we are able to link to the Altars, prolong our lives, heal otherwise deadly wounds. Indeed, perhaps even communicate over long distances.

Could it be someone or something made sure we were all created as equals in that point of view? Perhaps the powers of the Altars is indeed a presence that is present all-over Atys, that the Karavan and the Kami' s merely 'tap' into with their own magic and technology; much like how their drills manipulate the materials gained from the Nexuses?

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:41 pm
by sprite
sk8rss wrote:So the Kami aren't evil, they have them too.
Whoever said the Kami have nanoseed? ;)

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:38 pm
by cloudy97
Interesting thread. However I would like to start out by saying that I think the channels kills the RP a bit. I usually find myself in a crowd in Yrkanis and it's completely quiet. So if you can say it in /around, do that -- it gives life to the game.

Telepathy, does it need to be explained? Maybe it's so natural to the homins they never even think about it? It can be subject to philosophical debate, but I doubt we'll find the truth until Jena lands and explains it all.

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:36 am
by sk8rss
sprite wrote:Whoever said the Kami have nanoseed? ;)
Sorry, the "Or" at the beginning implied that it was another theory, one that I subscribe to. ;)

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:16 pm
by sidusar
alurach wrote:A major question recently has been the ability of Homins to engage in long-distance communication.
That's a nice consistent explanation to work the chat channels into the lore. Let me share with you another, completely different idea that I once had about the chat channels and how to perceive them as part of the RP.

First off, remember the chat channels aren't really meant to be part of world of Atys. They're necesary game mechanics, one of the things where IC consistency has to give way to gameplay.

Imagine for a minute that we didn't have those channels (or telepathic abilities). That homins could only talk the way our physics allows it: in around. How would this change our gameplay? (or the lives of our characters?)

- There would be no guild chat, so if you wanted to speak with your guild members you'd have to meet them. This means all guilds would probably have frequent meetings in their guild hall.
- There would be no region chat, so if people in the region wanted to speak to eachother, they'd have to meet somewhere. Some sort of 'meeting points' would probably form in every region. Kind of like how the stables at towns already work.
- There would be no tells. If you wanted to speak with someone, you'd have to look for them. You could stop by at their appartment and hope they're home. If not, you could leave them a letter telling you'll be back then and then. Or you could go ask around and hope someone knows where they are.
- Without all of the above, arranging groups (for whatever activity) would also be a lot harder. You'd have to spent a lot of time getting into contact with people, so spontaneously getting a group together would be almost impossible. Group activities would thus have to be planned in advance.

In a realistic world, without telepathy, all of the above would be quite common activities. To truely roleplay your character, you'd have to play that way. However, it's still a game, and most of us will only play perhaps two hours per day. If we'd have to play that way, with only around chat, we'd never get much of anything done within that time. So the chat channels exist to allow us to get the most out of our gaming time.

So in this view, I see the chat channels not as part of the IC world, but rather as OOC tools to allow you, the player, to play multiple activities of your character's life at once. Even though you only play 2 hours per day, your character still exists for the full 16. The channels allow you to experience more of that time than just the 2 hours you're playing.

For example, let's say that one day I play for 2 hours. I spent those foraging in GoC. While foraging, I'm also chatting in guild chat, in GoC region chat, and in tell windows with both Alurach and Haldir. After those two hours, what did my character do? She spent two hours lounging in the guild hall chatting to the guild members there, two hours at some meeting spot in GoC conversing with the other people gathered, two hours visiting Alurach in his appartment and talking over yelk tea, two hours discussing with Haldir after bumping into him behind the stables, and then finally two hours foraging in GoC.

That's another way to see the chat channels, as a way to play 10 hours of your characters life in only 2 hours of playing time. Whereas without them you'd only be able to play 2 hours of your character's life.

The idea has it's flaws, but I rather like that it gives both a meaning to the chat channels and an explanation to what my character is doing when i'm not logged in.

Re: Regarding the apparent telepathic ability of all Homins on Atys.

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:37 am
by alurach
It would be really cool with a game without global chats where you instead made sure all the NPCs kept at least minimal watch for who runs past and you could ask them if they have seen someone and if so where they went.

And of course you are right that the chat channels were introduced because everyone knows that an MMORPG needs to have chat channels. Ryzom took a big step towards a story-driven RPG, but they are to chicken to actually play it out. I am still waiting for someone with the guts to actually make a game where every argument, every single one, starts by pointing to something within the game lore and then working from there.

But then I started my online roleplaying on Elendor, one of the highest quality MUSHes ever to exist.

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