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Were i ever to own an OP i'd feel guilty at making an OP-less player pay for something i would get for free.

Part of my point.

That outpost-holding guilds are not obligated to share the resources from their outpost, and that Outpostless Guild X might not have done something to "repay" Outpost-Owning Guild Y, is not the point. The point I am trying to convey is that those crystals [99,900 XP] will be replaced within hours. That is why there is no excuse, in my opinion. Crystals are a disposable resource, not worth dappers, services, or the many hard-dug materials outpostless guilds are sometimes expected to pay for them.

[it's like someone going into McDonald's, grabbing 14 of those little coffee creamer cups, then going out and selling them to homeless people]

katriell wrote:Crystals are a disposable resource,

As far as I see it everything counts as a disposable resources on Atys. If I would like anything from outposts it would be mats. Yes those OVERPRICED, UNDERSPAWNING, RIDICULOUSLY rare mats.
Now if I could did some of them I would be a happy little homin, say you can get up to choice Outpost mats from the ground and the Excellent/Supreme from Outposts? Sounds ok to me... ofcourse the tool mats would need redistributing.

Actually, I just want to make tools.

Geniastrid, please enable private messaging so we can discuss this further.

katriell wrote:Part of my point.

That outpost-holding guilds are not obligated to share the resources from their outpost, and that Outpostless Guild X might not have done something to "repay" Outpost-Owning Guild Y, is not the point. The point I am trying to convey is that those crystals [99,900 XP] will be replaced within hours. That is why there is no excuse, in my opinion. Crystals are a disposable resource, not worth dappers, services, or the many hard-dug materials outpostless guilds are sometimes expected to pay for them.

[it's like someone going into McDonald's, grabbing 14 of those little coffee creamer cups, then going out and selling them to homeless people]

This is the exact reason why we only trade with folks who hold another outpost. Other allies who do not hold an outpost have usually received materials and crystals for free.

katriell wrote:That outpost-holding guilds are not obligated to share the resources from their outpost, and that Outpostless Guild X might not have done something to "repay" Outpost-Owning Guild Y, is not the point. The point I am trying to convey is that those crystals [99,900 XP] will be replaced within hours. That is why there is no excuse, in my opinion. Crystals are a disposable resource, not worth dappers, services, or the many hard-dug materials outpostless guilds are sometimes expected to pay for them.

So.... If I win the lottery... I should share this with every last person who has not won the lottery because I did not work for and therefore do not deserve those dollars? This is a rediculously short sighted argument with no base in economics what-so-ever. It's so rediculous... I can't even begin where to rationalize a logical reply.

I want some of what you're on... really.

brithlem wrote:So.... If I win the lottery... I should share this with every last person who has not won the lottery because I did not work for and therefore do not deserve those dollars? This is a rediculously short sighted argument with no base in economics what-so-ever. It's so rediculous... I can't even begin where to rationalize a logical reply.

I want some of what you're on... really.

(You're still missing my point. You're also OOC, and I am IC. Since I can't respond to a reference to the lottery IC as far as I know, I'll respond OOC. You don't win the lottery every day. You do get crystals every day. Therefore your example is irrelevant to what I'm saying.)

Irrevalent reply to a completly illogical point... and this is the general forum... not the RP forum. Which I assumed you knew when you referenced mcdonalds.... but hey... you aren't making any sense with your point... why should I expect consistency... right?

Eating McYubos,

katriell wrote:(You're still missing my point. You're also OOC, and I am IC. Since I can't respond to a reference to the lottery IC as far as I know, I'll respond OOC. You don't win the lottery every day. You do get crystals every day. Therefore your example is irrelevant to what I'm saying.)

So, in other words, I go and dig mats. I should then give those mats away to everyone else who can't dig 250 desert since they can't dig that type of mat or to that Q.

I put effort in to getthing them, you say? well, ya. I also put effort into getting an outpost, earning the money to pay for the drill, defending it if attacked, etc. In return, my pay off is the crystals that the OP produces.

Heres how Infinity's crystal distribution works. We have 2 250 OPs in the Void. That gives us about 28 stacks of crystals a day. We have about 25-30 active members, so each person got a stack a day. That person can then take their stack and do what they want with it. If they want to trade it for a couple stacks of lower Q ones, thats fine. Give em away? fine too. But we take care of our own first and foremost. They are members of our family and thus will be treated before someone else, especially someone who might be against what we believe in. So any crystals we got left over, we trade away with friends since they have earned our respect and friendship. In order to do that, they had to earn it through their actions.

EDIT:

[it's like someone going into McDonald's, grabbing 14 of those little coffee creamer cups, then going out and selling them to homeless people]

that would be an economy. If they were willing to pay for them, then there will be someone there to sell them to them. Its how it works. I can't afford a BMW, but that won't stop someone from trying to sell one to me.

aude03 wrote:But if this post is for Nexus guild, you made a mistake :

- we are a Karavan guild (if one day you come to your native land, look at the littles tags floating over our heads, or just have a look at the guilds list)

You have been making your share of noise lately...

What does it mean to you to say "We are Karavan" ?

Karavaneers have stood shoulder to shoulder against the enemies of Jena...
Karavaneers have fallen side by side when things did not go in their favor...
Karavaneers, when the time for battle ended, have shared their bounty with others.

Where was Nexus ?

To say your are Karavan is easy, to be a part of the faction means more than words and forum trolling. There is a good reason IMHO that your showing a sense of guilt over things...

YOU EARNED IT !

[EDIT] Good post Brithlem, who helped you with the bigs words ?

Not trying to advocate a side specifically, just offering some food for thought.

Outposts have little to no "upkeep" requirements. In times of peace they can be handily ignored as they churn out the goods.

So what effort does the owning guild need to put in to hold it? They need to defend it if it is attacked.

If outpostless Homin A shows up to help in an OP defense, have they done any less than the owning guild members to maintain that outpost? Do they deserve any less of the rewards because they are in a different guild?

What of an outpost that has never been attacked? Do the two hours of fighting bandits when they were released entitle the owning guild to all resources provided for eternity, only giving out to others for favors or trade?