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kostika wrote: Of course this could jsut be a problem with the Of's Kara/Kami TPs.

Doesn' t seem like it; it' s everywhere.

Seems indeed that you need at least faction standing of 0 to be able to purchase tickets. Which imo totally unbalances the access for newer players.

As new players are by default neutral this gives them access to the following Altars only (as far as I' ve tested):

Starting Tryker:
- FH Kara
- WoM Kara
- Fount Kara
- BB Kara
If he gets just one Kami faction point:
- FH Kami
- DD Kami
- RW Kami
- EI Kami
- (possibly BB Kami as it should have been accessible to neutrals but the Kami hasn' t accept my dappers since the fame revamp; didn' t test it now)

Starting Matis:
- Yrk Kara
- KoD Kara
- UB Kara
- HH Kara
If he gets just one Kami faction point:
- Yrk Kami
- FG Kami
- KoD Kami
- you get the point, any Kami Altar previously accesible to neutrals

I' m not sure why this happened, but it seems neutral and new players are better off getting Kami favor instead of Karavan if they want easier access to leveling grounds in both the lakes and the forest. (poor new Matis players with karavan fame have actually only one usefull Altar it seems and that' s the capital; they' re dead meat in the rest of the regions)

bit of tweaking today, doing some missions, killing some guards,

now at +4 kara, +3 kami

i was very annoyed this morning when i logged on, mainly because it was an undocumented change overnight giving us no time to prepare. It does make some sense, but none in another respect, but is fixable

dont give up neutrals

Actualy Ive always wanted the TP's to act in this way (requiring +Fame)

The ones that annoy me are the "Faction Only" TP's (ie OO , DD Kara , MG , WoM Kami etc -the ones Neutrals couldnt get before in the <250 Regions)

I see no reason for these and beleive we'll be constrained enough once Spires get ingame and deactivate half the TP's

Ah, but I'm seeing that since one TP in each region will still be active that it'll be a piece of cake for some people to get around no matter which side holds that region. I could be wrong, but lets see how that plays out.

scarazi wrote: +4 kara, +3 kami

dont give up neutrals

Maybe thats the reason why when i activated my faction (Neutral) after being away for some months (Hey Scar *wave*), i got something like \19+ Kami against -1 Karavan. Looking at that, it made me think i could somehow get positive fame on both factions, and it seems Scarrazi has such fame. Maybe our fears towards Neutrals Tp's were not necessary, we might not have the 250's but if we can both faction tps it might just compensate.

EDIT: my fame was not that, LOL actually i missed a 9 on the karavan side... maybe there is something to worry about after all for neutrals.

Ok, to the guys and gals in the know at Nevrax, this thing is starting to cause a bit of a rumble. Can we get a response on if this was intentional? If yes, please clue us in a bit as to why? If no, say so and we will shut up and leave you alone to fix it.

Pretty please?

Yudachi

dhuberma wrote:Why is it unacceptable for neutral to no longer be able to purchase TP pacts from faction altars? From a story POV, it is easily argued that the Kami and/or Karavan would only sell to those with whom they enjoy a +0 or better relationship.

It's unnacceptable for two reasons:

1. New players - it takes time to become Karavan aligned, so they need access to a couple Kami TP's for now.

2. Most importantly - the last patch/info from Nevrax gave us a list of TP's available to neutrals/new players. That appears to be either bugged or stealth-patched. Stealth patching is unacceptable to me. And if we remember, we were promised it wasn't going to happen anymore.

oldmess wrote:1. New players - it takes time to become Karavan aligned, so they need access to a couple Kami TP's for now.

How does it take time to become kara? If you're matis or tryker, you're automatically kara by default. If you're Fyros or Zorai and attempting to go Kara, then you're going against the ways of your people and it should be a challenge. You turn your back on your people and their religion, they return the favor.

oldmess wrote:It's unnacceptable for two reasons:

1. New players - it takes time to become Karavan aligned, so they need access to a couple Kami TP's for now.

2. Most importantly - the last patch/info from Nevrax gave us a list of TP's available to neutrals/new players. That appears to be either bugged or stealth-patched. Stealth patching is unacceptable to me. And if we remember, we were promised it wasn't going to happen anymore.

1. Respectfully, you don't need TP pacts as a new player to be successful. I know -- I'm in my sixth or seventh week now, and only recently have I earned enough dappers to be able to use the TPs by default. Running around from point A to point B is not the end of the world, good sir

2. I'm looking through patch notes and I don't see a whole lot. It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I can't find them The last patch was Jan 25th and was unrelated. The "News Archives" for the first half of January appear to be unavailable (the "current month" page isn't, in fact, the current month ). The December 2005 news included a Q&A blurb:

"Homins following a faction cannot buy TP tickets from the opposite faction; the answer is “no” to the first two questions.
There are additional requisites: for Prime Roots altars, converts must have a fame of 60 or more to be able to get a ticket; for “purple” regions (level 250), converts must have a fame of 33.
Neutrals will be able to buy a few TP tickets per continent, from both factions, but not all of them. They will have access to some TPs from regions below 200 including the Nexus, but won’t have access to the “purple” regions (Grove of Confusion, Void, Lagoons of Loria, Scorched Corridor), and won’t have access to the Prime Roots.

Note: once the new fame system is patched, you will still be able to use the TP tickets you owned before."

(cf. http://www.ryzom.com/?page=news&id=1713)

The above seems to indicate the recent changes referenced in this thread are intentional (though really, who knows, right? *laugh*). "Neutrals will be able to buy a few TP tickets per continent" seems to exclude the set "a lot of TP tickets per continent".

It's just as possible the recent changes are a bug as it is that they are intentional. We'll find out soon, I'm sure. But if they're intentional, I assert they may fit into the evolving storyline neatly, and they present no undue burden on any player, much less true newbies.

Just my opinion,

dhuberma wrote:1. Respectfully, you don't need TP pacts as a new player to be successful. I know. I'm in my sixth or seventh week now, and only recently have I earned enough dappers to be able to use the TPs by default. A real new player (like myself) cannot even afford to use the TPs in many cases. Running around from point A to point B is not the end of the world, good sir

yeps agree with that 100%. when i started it was at least two months before i purchased a tp ticket. Older players think that its bad for new players only because they are looking at things from the wrong perspective.