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I agree with Spiff too, to a certain extent. There's a whole load of non-PVP stuff coming and some PVP stuff as well. The PVPers are going to have to do missions etc. if they want some of the content, the non-PVPers will have to fight if they want that part of the content. Maybe it seems that outposts are the lion's share but we'll have to wait and see.

The non-PVP group has another option which the title of this thread leads to - they could all form a massive alliance agreeing not to fight over outposts and just dish them out. If any PVPer guild comes to spoil their fun then the sheer number of people can defeat them.

In this case Outposts will spawn a political system. We don't know how much they will have to do with Kami/Karavan either yet so there may be reasons not to gank your neighbour as well.

I'd like some non-PVP outposts too and they may come one day although then we might find ourselves harvesting 40 hours/week to keep them

Here's a thought - if you could harvest all those mats instead of fighting, would you do it? And if so, what's to stop a guild fighting on your behalf (not my guild necessarily) for those mats? Could this serve both sides of the community?

PVP has gotten a bad rep (just like a few PVP guilds have) due to a minority of 'excitable' types. With outposts meaning more people engage in this, we should drag 'them' up rather than the other way round. And the Faction PVP flag will hopefully give a few that seem to have A.D.D. something to do while we ignore them and carry on hunting.
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...taking on a team of other players that are equally matched...

And how do you know your victims are equally matched? I'm a digger and crafter. My lowest of those skills is more than double as high as my highest Fight or Magic, and I intend to keep it that way until further notice.

While I'm not digging PR yet as I get all the stuff I need within the Lakelands, I do not look forward to the time when I will be digging there, because I fear some senseless PvP-ganker (I'm being polite and do not use the 'w'-word that rhymes) will run around PK'ing left, right and centre, because 'Hey, it's a PvP-zone.'

You want PvP, fine with me, put up a date, place and required skill-level-list on the forum with a challenge and wait what's coming.

thing new idea stinks should leave game as is and try not to false peeps in to something not wont to do if pay mouthly percription to play put new thing to vote after all we the players

fair point .. what i was getting at was that a few diggers in their focus gear is never going to be a fun fair fight.

boinged wrote:we might find ourselves harvesting 40 hours/week to keep them

ahem i seem to be doing that anyways and not getting any where fast.. fancy comming digging with me sometime *wink wink nudge nudge*

jared96 wrote:The new directions on PvP, FvF and GvG makes little sense, despite the Jena / Makduk hodgepodge of conflicting reasoning, considering the lore of the game.

I find that the lore makes perfect sense for the recent (war) conflict, and the reason why some (many?) are not taken in by it, it the very late introduction of it.
If it had been started around launch (I am not taking about outpost, only the conflict element), we would have seen more seperation between kami and karavan homins.
Let us not forget that some events in the past (take the source in Nexus, which the karavan won) have had the karavan against the kami, so it is not like the recent conflict is a complete surprise (at least it shouldn't be).

On the other hand, I can also find lore which supports peace, it is all in what you choose to have the most weight.

There are certainly many examples in the lore of conflict between the peoples of Atys. No one's ever dressed up some maskless tart, called her Jena and used that as a causus belli before, but history never exactly repeats itself.

Look at it this way, you can choose to live in a world where there is a war going on. You can choose to fight for either side, be an arms dealer, try to be a peace maker, or be a refuge fleeing before an advancing army. Or you can exchange your walk on part in the war for a lead role in your no-PvP cage.

thurgond wrote:There are certainly many examples in the lore of conflict between the peoples of Atys. No one's ever dressed up some maskless tart, called her Jena and used that as a causus belli before, but history never exactly repeats itself.

Look at it this way, you can choose to live in a world where there is a war going on. You can choose to fight for either side, be an arms dealer, try to be a peace maker, or be a refuge fleeing before an advancing army. Or you can exchange your walk on part in the war for a lead role in your no-PvP cage.

The primary examples of recent historical confrontation are...

1 - Jinovich
2 - Fung-Tun

Both of whom are presented as evil, nasty fanatical types and both of whom were removed by some combination of actions from all homin peoples and their replacement, Yrkanis and Mabreka, are presented in the lore as far more moderate rulers.

The history, the personalities, alliances and groupings presented within it does not match up to the current events. Its really rather jarring, but then a lot of people don't read the lore

boinged wrote:(And the Faction PVP flag will hopefully give a few that seem to have A.D.D. something to do while we ignore them and carry on hunting.
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Now how I am looking forward to the time we meet, you have no idea

boinged wrote:...
There's a whole load of non-PVP stuff coming and some PVP stuff as well. The PVPers are going to have to do missions etc. if they want some of the content, the non-PVPers will have to fight if they want that part of the content.
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Can the missions also jump out and assign themselves to people that have no interest in missioning if those people go to certain areas of Atys?

(And the missions can't be declined;
and the only way to avoid them assigning themselves to you is to not go to those areas;
and you're most likely to be assigned a mission if you're in focus armour and carrying a pick;
and the difficulty of the mission bears no relation to your skill (in fact, many of the hardest missions prefer to assign themselves to weaker characters);
and the mission will kill you if you fail it etc etc)
This seems a fair and sensible system.

Atys is a big place. If you don't want a life-or-death mission to be randomly assigned to you without your consent, just don't go to those areas!

oauitam wrote:Atys is a big place. If you don't want a life-or-death mission to be randomly assigned to you without your consent, just don't go to those areas!

You, and the rest of the posters in this thread might want to read up on the plans Nevrax has for PvP as the current system will not last....http://ryzom.com/?page=news&id=926