Naming Committee's new vision

[sofiaoak]

Actually I don't think it's good to vote with loud mouths. Better say how it is and the give reasonable argument how it would be done better and why. If there is good points behind the reasons, it has better change to reach the dev team.

I have my self played a few games now and they are all the same. All have same problems with player base, shout of nerfs when someting get changed. Ryzoms player base seem to be little more mature, but stil has same "stuff".

Ryzom's week point is this games desiners financial situation, what isn't so good and this slows the games development.

There is notting wrong to wish and talk what players would wanna see in this game. But talking about negative way how to someting has changed, isn't doing good to anyone. Also every people have they own opinion how someting should be done and this view isn't usually same what other people have. So respecting different point of views is important.

I have liked some features in other games, what I would like to see in Ryzom too. Here some examples.

EQ2: How the crafting it self is done and how the npcs are talking to You (have voice what You can hear). Also quest system seems to be good.
Horizon: Ability own land and build stuff in it, create player towns (very strong community feeling). Ability build public buildings, tunnels, bridges and public workshops.

[boinged]

However, a post which contains only sarcasm, insult, and whining, whilst complaining about the same in other posts, does little to raise respect.

Sarcasm yes. The initial post was a melodramatic whine and that was my retort.

Yeah this is pretty much the worst game ever...

Maybe 'get a grip' is an insult to you. The rest of this paragraph is about some of the positive things in the patch which I wanted to highlight.

Pfft, get a grip. This patch has sorted out quite a few niggling things... The next patches will be 'content' patches...

Here are some pointers about what people who aren't happy should do and what I think about the whole stealth heal nerf.

If the majority doesn't like the healing change then make a poll or reply to the other, constructive, thread. One possible bonus... Maybe this will change just like the ticket bulk, maybe there's a reason and it won't.

More advice. I'm not whining about the whiners, I'm defending something I enjoy and providing a solution for people that do have a problem so that they can enjoy it.

Give useful feedback, organise a protest or petition or evolve with the game and take it in your stride but please don't whine about it. The final option is to leave but I'd feel pretty silly if I left over something like the last patch and Nevrax's 'attitude'.

Yes, this part is true. I have that much faith in the game, still enjoy it and could probably get another year out of it without any more patching - mainly down to the interesting setting and friendly community.

My annual subscription runs out soon and I'll be renewing it for another year.

Seriously, get a grip. This is a storm in a teacup. Now I know why I don't normally respond to posts like the first one :/

[michielb]

I suppose losing so many customers over patch 1 was silly too?

Even coming back to Ryzom after a server merge this new server has a small fraction of the players it had during its first two months. Both players and especially Nevrax need to stop with the "Devil may Care" attitude and work getting those players back... and then maybe even growing beyond the game's launch.

Actually,... it was. The people who left left because of a patch that, in the long run made the game better not worse. The changes they made to the mobs may have, initially, been a bit severe but they made adujstments to that in a patch two or three days later....(and people still say they're not listening to player input...)

[rushin]

I'm trying really hard not to respond to such idiotic, irrelevant, attention seeking posts.

But really some people talk such rubbish. having an opinion is great, whether its good or bad and a forum is indeed the place to air it. But saying that the dev's dont listen to the players is the biggest pile of bodoc dropping's i have ever heard. If you are really so conceited to believe it's true then i feel sorry for you and suggest that you try to live in the real world at least briefly ort try playing any other online game and see how much u get listened to there. And patch one happened 9/10 months ago, as stated it has benefited the game in the long run and any issues with it were patched in the days that followed it. The players who left after it without even bothering to understand what it was about or waiting to see if player feedback was listened to have little sympathy from me i'm afraid. but either way it is ancient history so whats the point in talking about it now.

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too late. doh!

[norvic]

Atys isnt ready for its last Rites yet, sure we need new (promised) content and we need it sooner rather than later.
With regard to patches imo the game is getting better and more balanced anything new takes some getting used too and patch 1 was a shock but those who stayed soon got over it worked round it and progressed.
Sure if you want a two homin Healer/Ele combo blasting anything out of sight then the upcoming changes could be viewed as a nerf to that playstyle but overall it looks like we got a better more balanced game coming, i personally gonna delve abit deeper into my well of patience cos Ryzom got more potential than anything else out there, for me anyway.
Just hope we get more for new players soon and that other stuff comes soon aswell cos no-ones well of patience is bottomless.

[morzyr]

Actually,... it was. The people who left left because of a patch that, in the long run made the game better not worse. The changes they made to the mobs may have, initially, been a bit severe but they made adujstments to that in a patch two or three days later....(and people still say they're not listening to player input...)

As said so many time before.

Then they lost so many subs, they kind of have to bite in the lemon and and make the changes.

True you can say the game got more realistic and in the looooong run got better, but it did make a dent in gameplay, and many just got too frustated and was sick of the big stealth patchs following.

But at what time, the balanceing was like then you press on a long balloon, you press down one place on the ballon the air pop up some othe place and what happen every time they made a new patch.

But i for one, thought it more fun to play with 50-100 players in the good spots or around the stables ,form the time of beta openling to patch1.
Now you be lucky if you find so many in a good event.

What nevrax fail to see, it's not makeing the game more realistic but what make the game more fun to play what drives players.

If i wanted just rules what bind all tight together i would play pen and papir games. or Temple of elemental evil. what was just to sick of rules.

New rules makeing the gameplay just tidiues and timecomsuming is not the way to start of if you like to bind the big masses.

[philu]

Sarcasm yes. The initial post was a melodramatic whine and that was my retort.



Maybe 'get a grip' is an insult to you. The rest of this paragraph is about some of the positive things in the patch which I wanted to highlight.



Here are some pointers about what people who aren't happy should do and what I think about the whole stealth heal nerf.



More advice. I'm not whining about the whiners, I'm defending something I enjoy and providing a solution for people that do have a problem so that they can enjoy it.



Yes, this part is true. I have that much faith in the game, still enjoy it and could probably get another year out of it without any more patching - mainly down to the interesting setting and friendly community.



Seriously, get a grip. This is a storm in a teacup. Now I know why I don't normally respond to posts like the first one :/

You know Rashan, I used to be like you. I used to defend the game and Nevrax. I once swore to be here until the very end, until they turned the last server off. I used to be of the belief that Nevrax were doing their best. That they were in a difficult period but would come through because they had a great game.

I'm sad to say that things have changed. Over the last week my outlook has changed. Both things on this forum and in game have changed that outlook, angered me and made me anti Nevrax. That is going to take some fixing.

I do still love this game, I don't care about content. Like you I think there's enough to keep me going for now. I still see a point to what I'm doing in game.

My major concern is that some of the proposed changes will push me further in the "I hate Nevrax" direction. I'll become the Ryzom equivalent of a Mac or Linux user.

If that happens, then I will, with a very heavy heart, cancel my subscription. Not for pastures new I might add. I'll simply give up MMO's altogether.

I'm not going to discuss the changes here, there are other threads for that. Just to say (in an attempt to end on a positive note) that last week I was very, very angry about some of them until a good friend put things into a little bit of perspective and calmed me down quite a bit. He pointed out they've changed things before, made things harder before and all we did was adapted. We're homins, we adapt. We did before, we will again.

[thebax]

When I, or most others complain, rest assured it is only after the avenue of constructive criticism, or positive suggestion has been fully explored.

If we did not care, we would not bother to post, why spend the time? Some who complain are only seeking a personal advantage within the game, it is true. This is very obvious from their posts, and they should be held with the same disdain as the sycophants who praise too lavishly, either because they hope they will be noticed and given love by those in charge, or they are simply sheep.

Most who note mistakes, or offer criticism, positive or negative, sincerely love the game. Call it complaining, call it whining, call it what you will, it does not matter what you call it, we wish for the game to achieve its potential. We will not cease our statements simply because of petty insults (in word or tone), for fear the developers will begin to listen to the more pleasing words of the Chauvans, and continue their current path towards a game which many have given up on, because of frustration.

A wise man values critics more than his entourage.

[svayvti]

And patch one happened 9/10 months ago, as stated it has benefited the game in the long run and any issues with it were patched in the days that followed it. The players who left after it without even bothering to understand what it was about or waiting to see if player feedback was listened to have little sympathy from me i'm afraid. but either way it is ancient history so whats the point in talking about it now.

and that is the type of attitude which is killing Ryzom.

Patches should help Nevrax to retain customers, not lose them in some backwards sense of "improvement". Business wise if patching doesn't help them improve their customer base, then what is the point of patching?

[alyssah]

As normally one of the devs biggest critics I would like to add my 2 cents worth.

1) SoR is probably the best stage setting for an MMO anywhere online. The devs have done a brilliant job with much that we fail to notice as we 'live' in the environment. And it doesn't take a super pentium to get good performance.

2) It is the friendliest. most helpful community of any online game I have played. That's down to you guys.

3) But the community atmosphere is helped by the most efficient CSR service in the whole of gaming. The service is so quick I keep looking over my shoulder to see if Turenkarn is watching.

4) I'm not much of a role player so someone else can comment.

5) Ahh!! Content. I don't think its just the lack of new content that irks us, I think its the frustration of coming up with brilliant ideas and never hear anything about them again. Never, ever, ever.

SUGGESTION: Could Jesse submit a post to all three servers asking for development ideas, placing game restrictions/parameters where possible and then detailing which will, may be, or will not be considered for future inclusion.
That way we get the feeling of contributing even if unsuccessful. I think being ignored is one of the biggest frustrations of this game & I in no way condone the development teams practice of hiding behind the CSRs skirts. Both of you.

Nb. Looking at the forums, it wouls appear that Arispotle community is roughly the same size as the German community but the French community looks to be at least 5 times larger than Arispotle. Might be a reason why our suggestions never seem to surface. There may be other possible considerations by Nevrax if pockets get any tighter.