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Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:10 pm
by kaetemi
mrshad wrote:When looking at teh designes of Zoria buildings, is there any doubt at all that they were bassed heavily on Karavan influences?
All kami stuff :p

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:15 pm
by b00ster1
in her disciples, the Karavan Guardians
And send "guardian" to Kami planet....
Kamis are not the only ones who care to preserve the planet, so are the Karavan
When guest come to your house, and you open doors to them.. How you will look if they will try to "establish" own rules in your house, eat all your food and you need to listen to their claims, what you have prepared it bad food, and your house is not pleasant? You would expose them for a door, but KAMI goodhearted and suffer heretics, calming only the most caustic

Well, Karavan arrived to Kami planet and now they are "defenders"?
Open your eyes....

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:31 pm
by ambika
b00ster1 wrote:And send "guardian" to Kami planet....When guest come to your house, and you open doors to them.. How you will look if they will try to "establish" own rules in your house, eat all your food and you need to listen to their claims, what you have prepared it bad food, and your house is not pleasant? You would expose them for a door, but KAMI goodhearted and suffer heretics, calming only the most caustic

Well, Karavan arrived to Kami planet and now they are "defenders"?
Open your eyes....

Kami Planet? It specifically stated Jena created Atys. She is the Life Giver of Atys. And you used a bad analogy because the planet does not belong to the Kami. It is not their "food" to serve. It is Jena's and she sent the Karavan Guardians to guide us. Just because the Karavan do not kill homins who exploit their foraging lands does not immediately mean that they do not care for Atys. They value homin life over plants. As I said, we as homins can regulate ourselves enough to stop each other from exploiting. We are intelligent enough to understand that we damn ourselves if we over-exploit. We don't need to be killed by Kamis to understand this.

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:40 pm
by xenofur
Kami kill Homins
if a policeman warns a perpetrator to stop or he'll shoot and the perp doesn't stop and the policeman does shoot, is the policeman evil or the perp insanely stupid?

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:43 pm
by ambika
xenofur wrote:if a policeman warns a perpetrator to stop or he'll shoot and the perp doesn't stop and the policeman does shoot, is the policeman evil or the perp insanely stupid?

Depends on what the perpetrator is doing. If digging a little to much, I'd think it's a bit harsh. :p If the perpetrator is attempting to kill someone, then the policeman isn't evil. Just trying to save a life.

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:45 pm
by xenofur
well, basically the kamis are only using tazers, else they'd have to delete your character as well ;D

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:48 pm
by basicart
Well in that case so are the kitin and every thing else in Atys excpt the Karavan that dont shoot Homins :D

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:48 pm
by ambika
xenofur wrote:well, basically the kamis are only using tazers, else they'd have to delete your character as well ;D

Aye, very true. Thank Jena for ressurection, eh? :p In the end, it doesn't really stop anything. It's just darn annoying, ya know. Personally, I think Kamis get a kick out of it.

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:50 pm
by ambika
basicart wrote:Well in that case so are the kitin and every thing else in Atys excpt the Karavan that dont shoot Homins :D

And there's the DP to take account. They "tazer" us and we get DP. Good thing I dear in places where I can get rezes.>.>

Re: Kami vs. Karavan

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:58 pm
by mrshad
b00ster1 wrote:And send "guardian" to Kami planet....When guest come to your house, and you open doors to them.. How you will look if they will try to "establish" own rules in your house, eat all your food and you need to listen to their claims, what you have prepared it bad food, and your house is not pleasant? You would expose them for a door, but KAMI goodhearted and suffer heretics, calming only the most caustic

Well, Karavan arrived to Kami planet and now they are "defenders"?
Open your eyes....

Let's set the record straight... Ma-duk and his kami enforcers are new to Atys. They came after the Homin were placed here by Jena.

Atys is capable fo defending herself from over-utilizaiton. When the planet is over harvested, the area becomes depleted. If the harvester is careless, the source dissapears, if the harvester is too aggressive, the source explodes or emits a toxic vapor. These actions are Atys taking care of herself against depletion. Atys has no need for Kami thugs to murder Homins in her defense. There is no excuse for the Kami turning our foraging operations into killing fields, even if we are given warnings.

If I warn a Homin not to walk down a pathway in Yrkannis, and the Homin continues to do so, am I then justified in killing the Homin? If I continue to warn the Homin to stop walking down the path, am I justified in killing him after the 3rd of 5th warning? Of course not! Because the Homin has a right to walk down the path, no matter how unreasonably angry it might make me, or how often I give warnings, the right of the Homin to be there means that any action I take to stop him is unjust.

Similarly, all of us have a right to provide for ourselves, our families, our guilds and our civilizations; indeed, all of homin-kind, through our foraging efforts without fear of unjustifiable attack from Kami murderers.

When Jena comes to save us from those who continually attempt to thwart our efforts through unreasonable violence, I will gladly fight by Her side.