mat question

[ayne31]

Counterquestion:
1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ20 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ20 produce WORSE stats than basicQ20 only

1. yes
2. no

I just hope you had more in mind then giving me a moronic "see- you answered your question yourself" reply.

If you cant figure out an answer out just tell me you got no idea, want to keep this as a secret or don't give a damn.....well i am still a fan of the simple things in live like a "yes" or a "no" but I don't ask for impossible tasks

[tekkor]

1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only

If my understanding of it is right the answer to #1 is yes because the ql 30 items are brought down to ql20 because of the way the lowest ql item degrade works.

I think on #2 the answer would be perhaps, hehe. I think it depends but in most cases I would guess the ql20 choice item would be better. I only base this off crafting items using the generic bought materials. I made a amplifier with store bought basic materials ql20 and then I made another amplifier with like a fine and then a couple basic materials harvested. I failed on the making of it so it was only QL15 but the stats on it were still better then the QL20 generic basic one I made.

Just my observations on it.

[ayne31]

Ill admit Im a newb upfront. Let me see if I understand this correctly then based on what you said...

Lets say for example Im making a magic amplifier. If I use these ingredients:

Fine QL 20 Shaft
Fine QL 20 Cloth
Fine QL 20 Magic Focus

and I used this:

Fine QL 20 Shaft
Fine QL 20 Cloth
Choice QL 20 Magic Focus

The second would be better though right? I mean the quality type doesnt bring down to the lowest denominator like the QL number does right?


How about this:

Choice QL 20 Shaft
Fine QL 20 Cloth
Fine QL 20 Magic Focus

Choice QL 20 Shaft
Basic QL 20 Cloth
Choice QL 20 Magic Focus

Overall the second one would be the better item correct? (of course these are all based on same material type just different quality levels)

The only thing you were referring to was the differnce in levels on how if you have 2 QL 20 items and a 18 ql item the 18 brings everything down so you would be just as good off having all 18's instead of mixing in the 20's. (if that made any sense at all)

Its amazing how you filled half a page with an examplary answer and refer to my basic question - mixing Q20 with Q30, which is a *bit* more apart than q20 to q18 in your example - only in a small sidenote at the end.

[tekkor]

Its amazing how you filled half a page with an examplary answer and refer to my basic question - mixing Q20 with Q30, which is a *bit* more apart than q20 to q18 in your example - only in a small sidenote at the end.

Hehe...yeah I do that alot. I always tend to get a bit carried away on answers and stuff like that. I was referring more to the other guys post then yours but...all is good.

[ayne31]

If my understanding of it is right the answer to #1 is yes because the ql 30 items are brought down to ql20 because of the way the lowest ql item degrade works.

I think on #2 the answer would be perhaps, hehe. I think it depends but in most cases I would guess the ql20 choice item would be better. I only base this off crafting items using the generic bought materials. I made a amplifier with store bought basic materials ql20 and then I made another amplifier with like a fine and then a couple basic materials harvested. I failed on the making of it so it was only QL15 but the stats on it were still better then the QL20 generic basic one I made.

Just my observations on it.

THANK YOU for the one reply that provided some help.

This is NO academic question btw. I am going mainland tommorow and want to know if it makes sense to keep my 40+ choice mats for still using them on crafting or better sell them for near to nothing (compared to the time it took to forage them)

PS: Thats funny how you first make me *sigh* and then *cheer* ROFL

[shrike]

Exactly.

Exept that magic amplifiers are a bad example, because they are the exeption from the rule here.
In theory only the magic foci are important, because only those have stats which effect spellcasting, grip & shaft only effect durability, sap load, melee damage,... But sometimes the grip & shaft mat effect the spell boni in stange ways. To be more exact, with certain fine & choice spell foci mats I got better spell boni if I used basic or fine grip & shafts instead of choice ones.

Note, though, that you can clearly see this in the item preview when you make one, so you can experiment with different mat typs and qualities without having to waste any of them. Would also have answered ayne31 quite fast, if he simply had tried it out (with q10 and q20 mats, for example).

[shrike]

1. yes
2. no

I just hope you had more in mind then giving me a moronic "see- you answered your question yourself" reply.

If you cant figure out an answer out just tell me you got no idea, want to keep this as a secret or don't give a damn.....well i am still a fan of the simple things in live like a "yes" or a "no" but I don't ask for impossible tasks

Actually that was indeed my intention, simply because you have a greater learn effect when you come to the conclusion alone.

As said, "q20 fine has EXACTLY the same boni as q30 fine", so it doesn't matter what you mix. The answers are always the same, as long as you leave the first q20 choice mats in the questions. Doesn't matter if you take q20, q30 or q250 for the second mats.

As said, the answers were already answered, you just didn't think about it enough

[tekkor]

Exactly.

Exept that magic amplifiers are a bad example, because they are the exeption from the rule here.
In theory only the magic foci are important, because only those have stats which effect spellcasting, grip & shaft only effect durability, sap load, melee damage,... But sometimes the grip & shaft mat effect the spell boni in stange ways. To be more exact, with certain fine & choice spell foci mats I got better spell boni if I used basic or fine grip & shafts instead of choice ones.

Note, though, that you can clearly see this in the item preview when you make one, so you can experiment with different mat typs and qualities without having to waste any of them. Would also have answered ayne31 quite fast, if he simply had tried it out (with q10 and q20 mats, for example).

Good point on amplifier maybe not being best example. The best way to see the effect of something like this would be to make some boots. You could recreate the scenarios for vey cheap and see the effects.

Regardless I think the key element to the whole discussion is....

Just because you slam lower quality but higher level materials at a recipe it wont make up for the difference of the item would be better if you just used same quality same level items.

i.e.

20 choice + 20 choice + 20 choice

will always be better then (based on identical mat types)

20 choice + 30 fine + 30 fine

[ayne31]

I have no idea why you keep inventing new question which you answer eagerly instead of answering MY original question.

As said, "q20 fine has EXACTLY the same boni as q30 fine", so it doesn't matter what you mix.

This is unfortunately no combination that was included in my example

I asked:
1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only

Regarding identical mats of course xcept for the noted differences. And statwise I mean the numbers given for:
overall protection %
prot. agains slash #
prot. against pierce #
prot. against smash(?) #
weight #
bulk #

I *still* appreciate a simple yes/no/no idea
Clue 1 - someone has allready tried question #1
Clue 2 - the longer you struggle for avoiding 2 simple answers the more of a fool you make of yourself

[shrike]

I have no idea why you keep inventing new question which you answer eagerly instead of answering MY original question.This is unfortunately no combination that was included in my example

I asked:
1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only
...

Incorrect. I answered it - unlike tekkor you doesn't seem to have the mental capabilities to understand it, though. And that combination IS included in your example (you know, fine q30?). Oh well, lets make it even more bloddy obvious:

q20 fine has EXACTLY the same boni as q30 fine
Meaning - in this aspect fine q20 = fine q30. Mat lvl doesn't matter here. At all.

Ergo: Since mat lvl doesn't matter here the "fine 30" in
1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
could be ANY lvl (at least if you stay over q20). You will get the same result with fine q20, q30, q40, q250.

And for q20 you answered it yourself already.