Don't feed the resellers

[hans1976]

Ehm, I just thought of the situation where I sometimes buy light armor from a certain color but fail to complete the set. So I settle for another color I can complete. I am talking light armor with hp, I tend to wear that down at a very high rate sometimes.

Then I resell the parts I not use for about the same price I bought it. Does this make me a fraud?

The freemarket economy is what makes the world as it is today. Not selling anything because you dont like resellers shows the freedom we all have. Reselling is part of that freedom. If one wishes to make threats about no longer selling because of practises frowned upon I would rather call this misuse of a marketing position, rather then fair play. In the real world *that* is frowned upon. I think MS had to settle quite a few courtcases that were based upon this?

So people, please relax and do what you feel is right or makes you feel best. But pleasepleaseplease with suger on top (and a cherry) dont make threats. That I perceive as no fun at all....

[larwood]

But pleasepleaseplease with suger on top...

Woot!

Thom

[totnkopf]

Basic, where are ya, hun? We got some peeps for that growing KOS list of yours

[varelse]

Ehm, I just thought of the situation where I sometimes buy light armor from a certain color but fail to complete the set. So I settle for another color I can complete. I am talking light armor with hp, I tend to wear that down at a very high rate sometimes.

Then I resell the parts I not use for about the same price I bought it. Does this make me a fraud?

The freemarket economy is what makes the world as it is today. Not selling anything because you dont like resellers shows the freedom we all have. Reselling is part of that freedom. If one wishes to make threats about no longer selling because of practises frowned upon I would rather call this misuse of a marketing position, rather then fair play. In the real world *that* is frowned upon. I think MS had to settle quite a few courtcases that were based upon this?

So people, please relax and do what you feel is right or makes you feel best. But pleasepleaseplease with suger on top (and a cherry) dont make threats. That I perceive as no fun at all....

In a free market economy, the seller does have the right to go out of business at any time. That's what Haddo is essentially saying he'll do, if he's unable to continue playing his self-defined role by providing this community service.

In an online game that we're all paying to enjoy playing, each player has the right to decide how and where he or she will spend his/her play time. I don't percieve Haddo's post as a threat. It's more of a warning - and frankly, he is not even obliged to give it. If he quit distributing out of guild tomorrow, no one would have any right to complain.

[zippo123]

Haddo,

You're doing a lot to help the community by providing a fairly hard to get item at reasonable prices, and I'd like to thank you for that.

When I buy any items off the vendors, I always check to see that the seller's name matches the crafter's name. If those two names don't match, I don't buy the item.

There's really no way to prevent the resellers from turning a profit on items in high demand, except to leave the npc vendors out of it and deal directly with in game brokers (or guild leaders) that you trust to carry out your own mission - which is to provide fairly priced affordable jewelry to the community as a whole.

That said, since you've asked publically for help identifying resellers, I'll spread the word in game and I'll keep an eye on it myself when I can.

Please dont that... i use special toons for my sales....

[altomesa]

hmm...IRL I'm a Real Estate Investor. New Custom Homes, Distressed homes, whatever, doesn't matter. If I can get it for 20% under the current value it's mine. And what do I do with them? I resell them. Does that make me a bad person or a fraud of some sort? Of course not. I always leave equity in the home for the home buyer, so they win. I'm the middle man and make sure I'm paid well for it, so I win. The home builder or original owner is motivited to sell the home at a discount to sell it quick for one reason or another and they achieve that goal, so they win too. Who loses? The people who can't afford the home? Not really, there's plenty of home's out there in their price range too!

My point here is that you think it's an issue with consumers who have limited funds. I think you may want to check who your "normal" customers are. Q250 jewels are a luxury item and you're gonna pay for them. Those with limited funds don't usually spend 600-800k for a set of jewels, they will buy lower Q jewels that have a significantly lower cost than Haddo or the resellers.

And for those who do not have limited resources, they will buy jewels when they need them. The difference between a 700K Haddo set and a 850K reseller set is pretty insignificant. Most people have more dappers than they know what to do with, so I wouldn't miss the extra 100-150k I spent. I'm just glad they were available when I needed them.

[caitiff]

Greedy.... Why do you sell anything? You want dapper to buy new things, to support your skills.

This however is not the reason for Haddo selling the jewels. If it was he wouldn't be selling them now as he has plenty of dappers and could get a lot more for the sets he sells. He does it completely to help supply the community. And he asked the community nicely to help support him in his effort to supply CHEAP jewels. You go on saying that people shouldn't look down on the resellers and just not buy if you don't want to support them. Well this is all that Haddo has asked. He said

I want my jewels to be available at my prices or lower, not my prices or higher.

So I want to encourage players to buy from merchandise from the crafters which will help your fellow players.

[haddo]

Haddo, i really like your jewels... but dou know what a free market is? Look at the real world... how many manufacturers sell directly to the users? (very few)... there are always distributers, who will take the product to different places, mark it up, and sell it to retailers, who mark it up and sell it to the final consumer. (no value added... other than availability i guess). So if someone wants to buy you jewels, make an investment, and hope to sell high, to get a god return... more power to them. Its a gamble to do trade like this, as many people like me try to buy from the crafter (for best price purposes)... but when there is a high demand, ie... i need jewels now, and you dont have any available... i will pay more for the convience of haveing them now... not later. (so i guess the added value if any is availability and convienence.) I know the ryzom market is not near as complex as in RL... but I think that the option for people to buy low, and sell high makes the game yet even more interesting and unique. You will make the same money regardless... so you shouldnt care. Besides... dapper is in actuality pretty useless.. hehe Thats all i have to say. Please correct me if I am wrong.

-Thom

A couple of points here I want to clear up. I agree with free market and all that. But it is not a gamble though when you buy out ALL the low price stock and put it back as high price stock, so there's no choice but to buy the high price stock. They do this when I am off-line usually. Also, it sure looks like players afraid to use their real characters. Peer pressure would probably handle it, or they would ask permission or join in this debate on whether it is ok or not.

And it is true, this doesn't impact me (but see my post on filtering, which is necessary because of this). I get my dappers regardless.

[amitst]

hmm...IRL I'm a Real Estate Investor.

Plenty of people do think this makes you a bad person on ethical and moral grounds. But money IRL blinds people quite easily.

I wish there was some way to harass these resellers... they onyl thing i can think of is them losing money of noone buys the jewels. But I would think that the number of accidental purchases might be enough to supply them.

[raven58]

The simple answer to all this is for players needing items is to buy direct from the seller(Crafter) a simple Tell would be all that is needed.
The market place is for trade...some just buy and others buy and sell( known as Traders).
I do buy and sell and i donot hide behind a 2nd char,Trading in goods around Ryzom or any other game that has a market in goods is a part of the game play.
Take Eve-online you can even train up for this type of skill (Trading)in order for you to trade to others and the market in one place or the enitre market place,maybe this could be brought in for Ryzom ..in order to sell you would need skills to be able to do this!.
Traders buy in one place and sell where he hopes the goods he has brought will sell at a profit for him...the market will determine if he sells his goods.
once the seller(crafter) puts his goods on the market at a price he is happy with and they sell at that price then what happens after that is not his business.
It is down to the market to determine if the buyer sells at a profit or not!,if someone who resells gets greedy then he will not sell the goods/unless we get a situation where goods are in short supply,This is all down to supply of goods.

plz do not get me wrong..i know some will alway take advantage and rip players of big time but players will wise up to this and just not buy at inflated price's.
Traders(resellers) are not to be hounded out of the game...take what i do as a buyer seller....i look at the market in all of the market places on Ryzom,.......matis/fyros/zora & Tryker...then decide where my market is..say buy from Tryker goods that are short supply in Matis then put the goods on the market in matis at a profit..note if i put goods to high they WILL not sell .
My aim is to find a market for goods that are needed in other places..i log on and take 30 min just going round seeing what on the market then deciding what if anything i will buy.
I have at times when i started put my price to high and found the items would not sell ...but i have found the level at which is acceptable to buyers who buy goods i put on market...i donot force players to buy goods i put on market ...
If you put Goods on the market ..thats exactly what it is a market place.


Plz note this is my view only thanks for your time .