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wak313 wrote:I must be a complete noob - i use Harmful Rate 4, Harmful Speed 4, Harmful q130 extraction - and i get 9-10 q130 mats solo....

I also use Dessert Specialisation 2

No, i am the n00b. I would die with your mentioned plan

i dig at gentle speed/harmfull rate/gentle ql

aggressive with carer its all harmfull as in speed 5/rate 5/ and ql without specialisation

with a lvl 100 carer with me i can dig around 27 mats/pull

but kami not like me thats for sure ;D

wak313 wrote:I must be a complete noob - i use Harmful Rate 4, Harmful Speed 4, Harmful q130 extraction - and i get 9-10 q130 mats solo....

I also use Dessert Specialisation 2

And people wonder why the kami tolarance in the desert places is so low. LOL.

mboeing wrote:And people wonder why the kami tolarance in the desert places is so low. LOL.

Yup, Dyron, Ambers & Resin - is what I dig!!!

But..... havent been on for a week, so Kami tolerance must be GREAT now!

hehehe

keoni wrote:Harmful rate can be used in place of gentle rate, with little or no difference in the the care plans needed, even without material specialization (I do use terrain specializtion, however). This was a trick that Saranda taught me, about forty forage levels ago.

I don't think mat spec. and terrain spec. are supposed to stack. I think the thought process is get terrain spec. to get an advantage digging everything in that land, mat spec. to get an advantage digging that mat in any land.

We've seen this type of overlap with tracking so I wouldn't be surprised if the same idea was used here - both methods will have the same ends.

systemv wrote:I don't think mat spec. and terrain spec. are supposed to stack. I think the thought process is get terrain spec. to get an advantage digging everything in that land, mat spec. to get an advantage digging that mat in any land.

We've seen this type of overlap with tracking so I wouldn't be surprised if the same idea was used here - both methods will have the same ends.

I don't think so. I always use terrain spec. and I still see a definite improvement if I add mat. spec. as well. I believe that they are cumulative.

archerke wrote:i dig at gentle speed/harmfull rate/gentle ql

aggressive with carer its all harmfull as in speed 5/rate 5/ and ql without specialisation

with a lvl 100 carer with me i can dig around 27 mats/pull

but kami not like me thats for sure ;D

OK, here's another unproven theory of mine, based on some observations but with no definitive data...

If you go by how fast Kami tolerance degrades in an area as a measure of how much Kami approves, I don't think it matters whether you use all harmful or all gentle stanzas - as long as you use sufficient care planning to keep up with them. I think Kami tolerance drops a tiny bit each time you harvest a source, and a bit more for each explosion/cloud and source depletion...but with adequate CP you can use aggressive stanzas all you want and it will all be copacetic with the cute little Kamis.

mboeing wrote:And people wonder why the kami tolarance in the desert places is so low. LOL.

I think Kami tolerance in the desert is low, mostly because homins travel from around the world to dig there... and, true, some don't use adequate CP. Kind of like tourists who travel to a beautiful distant land...and then throw their trash out the tour bus window

Kami tolerance is directly related to the number of mats extracted and the aggresiveness of the action used in the area.
(to the best on my experience)

Lots of small quantity diggers have the same effect on tolerance a few power diggers.

Using care plans doesn't raise or slow the fall of the tolerance. I always dig with a carer and use the most aggressive plan I own (poor Kami). If I use the same plan in an area much lower than my level (eg fount I seem to have a greater effect, however this could be due to materail concentration [spots are closer together]) then in the region more suited to my harvest level.

Extracting 25x3 (75) per propect at one or two prospects a spot. I can see the tolerance actually drop. (A5,A6,ql220 with rate boost from Terrain prospecting spec) Testing when no other digger was in the region.

Use of gentle plans etc are basical reducing the mats over time, thus slowing the tolerance drop.

Mat Spec and Terrain Extraction Spec reduce the aggressivenes of different parts of the extraction plan so are therefore accumulative, if memory serves me well they do not overlap. There reduce the caring need as well as other effects.

I must be a complete noob - i use Harmful Rate 4, Harmful Speed 4, Harmful q130 extraction - and i get 9-10 q130 mats solo....

Well, I use ALL gentle (all lev 3) and terrain spec (desert), q120 and i get 9 mats/harvest solo and 11 with careplanner. Solo i need about 3 careplan actions to get all the mats without problems.
If I use harmfull speed 4 i can rise to 13 mats/harvest but I need a careplanner. (and I burn more than 1750 focus)