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systemv wrote:
My Greenseed friends did indeed begin to help and so I breathed a sigh of relief... That's when I realized that they weren't actually winning. The torbs were tearing through them like hot butter

green seed is lvl 50, hence why chumps like raynes slaughter them cause most newbs could beat them

border guards are lvl 150 and can deal with the torbs and kincher, i know i used to use them lots

It strikes me as odd that someone can complain about people taking things personally... and then have the gall to call them jackasses. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I have NO idea what is.

And while we're discussing the pot calling the kettle black. The WHOLE "Kami / Karavan" thing on our server started because Temprrr and Posmo dragged the Void kirosta boss on my guildmates and I. Since then we've treated OmegaV (the guild they were in at the time) as a hostile guild. Attacked them in roots (which... if I'm correct is a PvP zone and a warning is displayed across the screen before you enter) and been attacked back. Only when Melinoe and the Dragoons supported them in our famous roots clash did this become a "Kami / Karavan" 'problem.'

Ever since this my entire guild and I have been victim of a gigantic slander campaign because certain people prefer to tell stories than let the past go. Do you see me pointing fingers at all the karavan? Calling people "jackasses?" I think not. I treat people in this game with the same respect I expect of others until they wrong me or my guild mates. Once that happens... expect nothing from me until some manner of solution is proposed. Allthatinny dragged Dai-Den on a bunch of my guild mates a few weeks back... later he wrote... said it wasn't right and appologized. While I was less than pleased with the aggro-dragging.... I also know it's tough to admit when you have done wrong and commend him on trying to just end it. Both Allthat and Inf have put that behind us... he doesn't pull on us... we don't on him. Life goes on. Problem, debate, solution... conflict resolution 101 people. When you do wrong... admit it... don't tell stories about people that aren't true... just have some respect for yourself.

Respeft for adversaries. Buns, Basic, and Anissa.... for a few. I wholly expect them to tear me apart in roots should I be silly enough to travel solo there. They expect it back. That does not mean we don't get along. I truly look forward to their beating me to a pulp in roots when they have the #s and my opportunities to do the same back should I have the #s. Simple respect.

Moreover, my guild does not pull aggro on people. Do we fight on the same spawns as others.... yes. Without asking from time to time... yes. Mind you we do this in our backyard, the void. Where we spend all day, everyday. If we went to matis / tryker / fyros.... I'd expect much of the same... however we stay where we belong and don't spend day after day after day in other people's lands.... pulling aggro on other people for "not asking if they could use the same spawn as us" .... wah.

Look in the mirror people, if you truly feel that a video game is worth getting bent out of shape over.... lying about others over... then there is a difference between you and I. And for your sake, I hope you change.

Earnestly,

Actually Brithlam, get facts straight, your Guild camped that spot for over 10 hours & refused to share with myself & Temperrr, so we politely left & came back when gone, We were there 30 minutes when your guild returned, we asked politely for 1 hour hunting in peace, we were yet again refused, Your Guild then started Killing my Pulls, hense they pulled to much & died, But not being bitter, i Rez'd them so they didnt get Dp, but what happened, your Guild left, & comes back 5 Minutes later with another person, smae again, they die & i rez, again repeated, they left & came back with 4th member & tried again, eventually Temperrr called for GM Azhrarn, who DID NOTHING. so myself & Temperrr decidedd to kill closest thing to us which gave her & myself 3k XP, a named boss's Minions, we killed a few, but eventually on a Bad pull by myself, the Boss & all minions came, we ran to safety into tunnel where land has another lair, yes, your Guildies got ran over, but they left me no choice, we stayed Polite, we asked politely for peace for 1 hour, but because it was the VOID, we were refused, so if they got 1 DP, i have no sympathy, if I hadnt of rez'd them 3 or 4 times previously, their DP would have been alot higher, i never once got personal with your guild, but your Guild decided to take action against alot of innocent players because a few of your nOObs pulled more than they could handle, & i mean by that, 1 Nuker with 3 healers, & the Nuker couldnt Kill & the Healer's couldnt keep the Nuker standing. so before declairing war on inocent players, get your facts right & if yiou dont want ppl cussing your Guild, remove the BAD EGGS.

brithlem wrote:It strikes me as odd that someone can complain about people taking things personally... and then have the gall to call them jackasses. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I have NO idea what is.

not really but if you want to think that then go for it, i'm describing behavior, i'm not saying " you are a jackass" i'm saying " you are BEHAVING like a jackass" there's a difference

brithlem wrote: And while we're discussing the pot calling the kettle black. The WHOLE "Kami / Karavan" thing on our server started because Temprrr and Posmo dragged the Void kirosta boss on my guildmates and I. Since then we've treated OmegaV (the guild they were in at the time) as a hostile guild. Attacked them in roots (which... if I'm correct is a PvP zone and a warning is displayed across the screen before you enter) and been attacked back. Only when Melinoe and the Dragoons supported them in our famous roots clash did this become a "Kami / Karavan" 'problem.'

Ever since this my entire guild and I have been victim of a gigantic slander campaign because certain people prefer to tell stories than let the past go. Do you see me pointing fingers at all the karavan? Calling people "jackasses?" I think not. I treat people in this game with the same respect I expect of others until they wrong me or my guild mates. Once that happens... expect nothing from me until some manner of solution is proposed. Allthatinny dragged Dai-Den on a bunch of my guild mates a few weeks back... later he wrote... said it wasn't right and appologized. While I was less than pleased with the aggro-dragging.... I also know it's tough to admit when you have done wrong and commend him on trying to just end it. Both Allthat and Inf have put that behind us... he doesn't pull on us... we don't on him. Life goes on. Problem, debate, solution... conflict resolution 101 people. When you do wrong... admit it... don't tell stories about people that aren't true... just have some respect for yourself.

yup we're all slandering you, both of them stick to their stories about what happened and i do believe you guys did drag aggro to them in the first place. helps when the whole story is told, not just half like you are right now.

brithlem wrote: Respeft for adversaries. Buns, Basic, and Anissa.... for a few. I wholly expect them to tear me apart in roots should I be silly enough to travel solo there. They expect it back. That does not mean we don't get along. I truly look forward to their beating me to a pulp in roots when they have the #s and my opportunities to do the same back should I have the #s. Simple respect.

Moreover, my guild does not pull aggro on people. Do we fight on the same spawns as others.... yes. Without asking from time to time... yes. Mind you we do this in our backyard, the void. Where we spend all day, everyday. If we went to matis / tryker / fyros.... I'd expect much of the same... however we stay where we belong and don't spend day after day after day in other people's lands.... pulling aggro on other people for "not asking if they could use the same spawn as us" .... wah.

yes your guild DOES pull aggro, i seem to remember having a great vorax and the zerx boss in umbra pulled to us in roots one night, then once we attacked the aggro you guys attacked us, but i guess it wasn't your guild that did that and the group as a whole imagined the whole thing


thing is i'm not saying anything unfair nor untrue, i can bring up the other example of how your guild during our rp tale event the other day came in and started to lip off in region chat, granted some of it was scripted HOWEVER a lot of the stuff said was not scripted nor was it called for

i can also bring up the fact that ALL your healers would stand out of the pvp zone and then run in and heal you when needed, which was a lot, and then run back out of the pvp zone. i do believe that falls into exploiting a flaw in the game.

so yeah we're really slandering you and your guild, thing is telling the truth about what happens isn't slander, it's the truth and yeah sometimes the truth sux but you gotta deal with it

thexdane wrote:not really but if you want to think that then go for it, i'm describing behavior, i'm not saying " you are a jackass" i'm saying " you are BEHAVING like a jackass" there's a difference

Oh really?

thexdane wrote: ...or will they get an equal smackdown from the kami side and the karavan side for being jackasses and pulling aggro onto players?

I don't see the word behaving in there. You are calling them jackasses. And Brit I wouldn't waste my time trying to defend your guild against these two. In game people know who you are and who your guild is. I'm also sure you will be more than welcome on the new server.

it's gone off topic here, i believe the point of this thread was to SEE if things are going to be the same on the EE server as they were on the US Server, ppl break the Rules & the GM's/Dev's do nothing about it, was it cause they lack of players on the US server that nothing was ever done?, now that the EE Server will be More populated, Are the GM's allowed to start showing some authority when needed?

Afterall, if nothing is done, what is to stop ANYONE Botting to get high lvl fast, or Dragging Aggro to make sure no-one hunts their lands/spots?

that is what people want an answer to.

omsop wrote:.. what is to stop ANYONE Botting to get high lvl fast, or Dragging Aggro to make sure no-one hunts their lands/spots?

Self respect, and knowing I got myself there by my own hard work.


But maybe thats just me.

I'm gonna post here and I'll probably get flamed or called names for doing it, but what the heck... I am speaking purely for myself. In no way am I speaking for Infinity, just from the viewpoint of a member of it.

I've been in this game since beta 2. I've been a member of Out Of Cavern for all but the last few weeks. Because I was of the mindset that pvp/gvg was icky and I wanted to be all peaceful and not attacked.

Then I realized that this game is a heck of a lot more fun if you actually embrace the pvp/gvg, but if it's in fun... not in a mean spirit.

I've been in Zorai since retail. I've always been the lone Zorai in Out Of Cavern. So when I decided to try something different I went to Infinity. I knew it had a bad rep. But I knew some of my friends had gone there too and that the guys in Infinity that I had met already were really fun to hang around with. And you know what? They are one of the coolest group of people I have ever hung around with online.

To my point. I was not a member of Infinity when the original agro dragging between a few players, and the retribution by Infinity, occurred. I was not a member yet when the whole thing in Yrkanis happened, but I did fight on their side in the arena. With my extremely helpful lvl 50 heal. I joined immediately afterwards.

It was my understanding that the whole activity was set up as Karavan thingie in Yrk. It was announced ahead of time. Naturally, for Kami players who take the game/lore/storyline seriously and want to advance the game, they came to observe and or interact. I understand players were there trying to listen and watch peacefully. It's my understanding that Infinity was there to play the part of the Kami guild and raise a little ruckus. To help advance the roleplaying part of the game... to add something a little different than just the everyday grind.

Then we went to the arena. There were 7-8 on our side. There were at least 30, but I think more like 40, players on the opposite side. Many were known to be pretty strong avatars.

Okay. The arena has a dead area. Yes, we used it. There was no rule against doing so. There were employee avatars there. If what we were doing was wrong, don't you think that we would have been shut down? I'm sure enough petitions were sent in complaining about it that it would have been. You try 8 against 40 and see if you don't look for any advantage you can. It's called strategy, not exploit. If a GM had stepped in and said what we were doing was wrong, we would have stepped forward and died with honor, defending the Kami name.

As far as the dragging of agro since then... I was in voice chat with a group of Infinity that was out hunting, and not for other players. They happened upon a group of players that was fighting agro. I listened as my guys were telling us who was there and suddenly... the agro was respawning all around the other group. The other group respawned before there was time to get close enough to rez, or before it was even safe enough to get in to try to rez. And immediately there were players in towns/regions already starting new rumors about how Infinity dragged agro on them and how Infinity is all evil. You may ask how I believe the Infinity guys when they could have been just telling a story as they ran up upon the unsuspecting players with a gaggle of agro dragging behind them... I heard the way they were a little shocked and surprised when the agro started popping. There's no mistaking the way they said it. They were not just making it up. They did not drag the agro. They did end up with more stupid rumors spreading about because of the incident. But beware... I am aware of players dragging about fake agro. As a joke. As fun. To make light of the dragging rumors/stories that are going around. To enjoy the bugs that are Ryzom.

When I hear people complaining about Infinity claiming the area for their own and not sharing, I get grumpy. If you are playing this game with the mindset of roleplay, or even just trying to follow along with the race you joined... the land belongs to your race. The other races have their own lands. There are critters to kill there and materials to dig there. Why does everyone from the other races have to come to Zorai to kill and dig up our stuff? We should have the right to protect and defend our right to our own land's stuff. At least until someone comes in with the strength to claim it from us. Then we either get stronger, or find someplace else. Way of the world. We would expect the same if we were going to the other lands to kill and dig there.

Everyone I talk to, old friends, new people I meet... when they find out I've joined Infinity the first words off their fingers are almost always "Eww. Why them? They drag agro and generally are out to hurt the other players." Most of them have heard storied from other players. Most of them have heard stories from people who seem to have a personal agenda against Infinity.

I am not one sided here. I have been playing Ryzom since March-ish 2004. I've only been with Infinity for a few weeks now at most. Before then I spent all of my game hours alongside of them and never saw anything out of line. I didn't just join them for grins and giggles. I spent time with them, got to know them. I value my reputation in game and out of game. I would not have allied with a group of people that was going to be doing things that would ruin my reputation. I joined a group of people that is serious about playing the game as it stands, and to have fun while doing so. And it's awfully hard to find a guild in Zorai that is this friendly and helpful and tight-knit.

I just hope to find more groups that are willing to play the game a little when we get to the European server. Trust me, it does make it more fun.

1/ I do not appreciate my name being brought up all the time, what happen with myself & infinity was months ago & as far as i know, they are the only ones still moaning about it, i am not.

2/ i dont recall saying all infinity are bad, but a few of them are, the bad ones like to get personal & call ppl names in Region Chat, ( btw i have screen shot of this which i took for Mindadar ), & when i tried to keep things out of Region Chat & do it in a /tell with the player involved, who also btw i have hunted with in the Past & who is in Infinity & who i thought was once a friend, the abuse carried on until Mindadar told me he would sort it out by having a quiet word, all i done after that was add that person to my ignore list to avoid future conflicts, another person who always shouts in Region when ever i enter Zora is Juggernaut saying " Don't Piss in Our Pool ", i never speak to him, but he likes to mouth off in Region, yet i remember this same person when Guildless rarely said a word to anyone, but only does so now, knowing he has a Guild who will back him up.( btw, do not go on about races & such sticking to their own lands when you do infact have Matis & Fyros in your Guild ).

3/ Only Infinity are interested in keeping this war thing going, but they are doing it with all the wrong ppl, if they want to keep it going, do it with me, not my old Guildies & not my New ones, but with me, as far as i was concerned all this was over with months ago, but if they want to keep it going for aslong as the game lasts, thats fine with me if you have nothing better to do with your time, not 1 of infinity have ever killed me, but if it makes you feel any better Come Try, but try me when i dont have a Pick in my Hand like OmegaV did in PR when a couple of their foragers were killed by your Guild in PR.

Well Posmo, looks like you and I don't get to go quietly and unknown onto the new server....

I’ve never ever ever posted on Ryzom forum but the level of bad ethics and lame sportsmanship being displayed by Infinity in game, and the defense of them by some on this thread is just baffling.

The game rules are clear.
Camping and stealing kills is against the rules.
Harassment and profanity is against the rules.

YET, this behaviour by Infinity members was reported to the GM’s on many occasions and no action was taken. Our guess was as previously stated the low numbers on the server preventing anyone from being banned.

The incident with Posmo and I was on Superbowl Sunday….how long ago is that? Posmos accounting of it here is exactly as it happened, and how it was reported to GM’s and our guild leaders and anyone else who asked. That day, Thara and Basic both talked with Infinity Leader, Brithelm, and I sent him screenshots of the incident and chat. It was handled. He even told me in Klients he was probably going to kick Always and Trip from guild.

The game is set up with PvP areas for fighting – why break the rules and repeatedly drag agro in other areas where it is clearly against the rules? Why get personal? Why use profanity? RP doesn’t have to be offensive to be fun. Infinity knows if they announce they are going to be in a PvP area, that many Matis will come for the RP and satisfaction of squashing them. I personally have a collection of screenshots of Always dead that I wouldn’t mind adding to. All taken in PvP areas though as that’s where this type of fighting is designated to.

The scene with Infinity disturbing the religious presentation in Matis last week was pretty fun and I thought it was great they were moving to real (though overly scripted) RP……. and then the night before last, I was afk in a very safe. Non PvP area, and came back to being killed by 2 kinchers – I thought very strange, but wasn’t bothered until I was told that Infinity members had dragged them to me.

This is not RP, this is greifing.

Back to the original question. Will this be handled on the new server? Will the rules be enforced or is it a free for all grief arena? If Nevrax wants to build player population and have us all bringing new players and helping newcomers, then we expect a fairly governed play space where documented rules are enforced. The gaming industry is very competitive now and all too easy to leave for a game where repeated greifing results in banning, and relief. If the GM’s aren’t going to handle it, give us our own player run justice system and let us dole out in game punishments.

Temperrr