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thexdane wrote:if you're doing that then that's why you aren't finding things, the cone can't be used with the tracking, also remove the fine limitation because you may or may not be stumbling upon a choice spot, which yeilds a no mats found if you're looking for only fine mats

I am using the cone with the prospect action after I have used tracking. The fine limitation is actually "up to fine" so I should be able to find anything fine or lower, right?

Thanks,
Matt

Once I got the Long range prospect and more than two nodes, I stopped even BOTHERING with tracking. Some see it working FINE, I never found anything I was looking for.

In my opinion, if I am looking for SUPREME only, I should find ONLY a supreme node that is IN season and NOT depleted. What I do find is either the nearest ANY grade of mat OR a depleted Supreme node, OR one that is not there do to time of year/day/weather. But if I found THAT...I would run out IMMEDIATELY and buy ten loto tickets, Or check to see that Hell hadn't frozen over.

I have never had tracking lie to me. Except that it's approximate. Meaning the source could be 40m away from where it claims.

Use 60m tracking with 120 degree angle and make four prospects at 90 angles of difference (so there will be some overlap). If there are no obstacles (trees, roots, etc) in the area you should find the mat. Perform this experiment and I'll be satisfied tracking is broken. If you don't have at least 40m tracking, I just plain don't believe you can find the needle in a haystack. Since the deposit could be anywhere in a circle with 80m radius around the spot you locate - well, given the ranges and angles below level 100 there is basically no way to thoroughly search the area.

So when a low-level harvester tells me tracking is broken I have to be a bit suspicious.

madnak wrote:I have never had tracking lie to me. Except that it's approximate. Meaning the source could be 40m away from where it claims.

Use 60m tracking with 120 degree angle and make four prospects at 90 angles of difference (so there will be some overlap). If there are no obstacles (trees, roots, etc) in the area you should find the mat. Perform this experiment and I'll be satisfied tracking is broken. If you don't have at least 40m tracking, I just plain don't believe you can find the needle in a haystack. Since the deposit could be anywhere in a circle with 80m radius around the spot you locate - well, given the ranges and angles below level 100 there is basically no way to thoroughly search the area.

So when a low-level harvester tells me tracking is broken I have to be a bit suspicious.

psst... I don't think anyone really cares what you think... reason being... well... like was already said by many... since the game started... is that... *gasp* tracking does not work properly when you try to search for anything specific.

tetra wrote:psst... I don't think anyone really cares what you think... reason being... well... like was already said by many... since the game started... is that... *gasp* tracking does not work properly when you try to search for anything specific.

Tracking finds specific resources easily. It just gives a general location and not a specific location. Tracking is the beginning of the search, not the end.

madnak wrote:So when a low-level harvester tells me tracking is broken I have to be a bit suspicious...tracking...just gives a general location and not a specific location. Tracking is the beginning of the search, not the end.

Err, not to get in the middle of the nice flame war that seems to be starting to brew here but a couple more observations:

1. When deposit tracking works I find that I can nail a specific mat of a specific quality down to a few meters within where I get the "very close message", not a 40 or 80m radius. I then back up a few feet, use an equally detailed (minor/major specific node, knowledge, etc...big focus cost) wide-angle prospection with multiple spots, and I'm usually within a few meters. Sometimes I need to do this a couple of times as I've overrun the spot, but I wouldn't call this 'broken'.

2. When it doesn't work I find that I am finding random mats of random qualities or worse yet, no mats at all in a region where I _know_ I have non-seasonal mats...or worse yet, I can find them where they're marked on my map using prospecting but not with deposit tracking. This has been confirmed by others in multiple posts as happening at various times - one poster had mentioned this happened when she learned a new harvest action - but it sounds from others like this happens a lot randomly, as it does to me. I would love to bug this repeatedly but if I can't nail down the situation that causes it I'm not sending in the tickets. Logging sometimes clears this.

One other tip: I do find the 'only' stanzas work more often than the 'up to' stanzas.

Back to shouting at one another...

Tracking isn't supposed to have a 100% success rate.

usinuk wrote:When it doesn't work I find that I am finding random mats of random qualities

You said you found other mats - how did you find other mats if you used the same prospecting specs as tracking specs? If the tracking and prospect actions are the same, then the tracking action will locate any mats the prospect action will locate. Using "up to" choice in a tracking stanza will track basic or fine or choice. It will not necessarily find choice.

Finally, have you tried my experiment? It sounds like if you don't find the source within 5m you give up... thus the "bug." Until someone searches the entire circle with 40m radius (sorry, 80m was a typo) and fails to come up with any mats that match the tracking action, this bug is not established. Next time it happens, please explain how you went about searching the entire larger area always with a "no mats detected" result.

Tracking is meant to put you in the general vicinity of the mats. If you find it right where the tracking action led you, then you are lucky. I've used tracking plenty of times and I have never once run into a location where the specified mat wasn't within 40m of the spot. You can test this all day and I'm fairly confident the detected mats will always be within 40m of the location you are led to by the tracking action. If there is an obstacle sometimes rather than saying the mats were blocked by an obstacle it will simply say they're nearby. But then, if the prospect says the mat is nearby, you know it's in the vicinity...

madnak wrote:Tracking isn't supposed to have a 100% success rate.

Please refer me to a post where this has been confirmed.

madnak wrote:You said you found other mats - how did you find other mats if you used the same prospecting specs as tracking specs? If the tracking and prospect actions are the same, then the tracking action will locate any mats the prospect action will locate

That's one part of the bug. I can have prospecting find mats that deposit tracking doesn't. Repeated tracks will not show mats in a region - even switching from major to minor node and 'only' to 'up to' stanzas - where a single prospect will find them specifically.

madnak wrote:Finally, have you tried my experiment? It sounds like if you don't find the source within 5m you give up... thus the "bug." Until someone searches the entire circle with 40m radius

In spending the time to level every single harvest line over 100 I've mapped regions where almost no one harvests. In doing so I'd get a deposit track confirm, find nothing nearby, then get frustrated and blow my entire focus line on doing wide angle 40m or 60m searches in the hope that I can find another minor node. Initially, I did this by standing right over the nominal node deposit tracking was supposed to find and then turning around in circles, hoping that if I didn't find the specific node indicated by tracking I'd find another one, as there are almost always a couple of minor choice nodes near each other (not the case with minor fine/basic nodes). Then I'd run around and do random 40m or 60m prospects to see if I could find anything worth harvesting.

Guess what? Sometimes I've found nothing. Hence, your version of the 'bug' is confirmed. And oh by the way, this is not seasonal.

But wait...there's still more to this. Sometimes, I can get the single most specific request in deposit tracking - choice oath bark for instance, since yes, with all the harvest points I have I have taken pretty much every stanza line available (except for the truly useless craft mats ones) and still have almost 1k points left - and have deposit tracking claim the mats are within 1m every single time...when they clearly aren't. That's another aspect to the bug, and can often be cured by logging.

madnak wrote:If you find it right where the tracking action led you, then you are lucky

No, I'm getting tracking to sometimes work roughly the way a couple of GMs told me that it should.

I'm glad tracking is working for you. A lot of times it does for me. Sometimes it doesn't - I just raised 3 specific ways in which it doesn't consistently work - and if you go back a few months there is thread after thread on the subject. I'd like it to do so more consistently since I have well over a thousand sps invested in deposit tracking and related stanzas alone.

Hmm. I guess I'm wrong about that then... I don't understand why it would work for some and not others. Has there been any consistency in terms of the bugs? Do they always happen in the same land, or with the same mat type? Anything common?

I have had no.2 happen to me more times than I can count, LONG after I learned the "new" stanzas. I haven't bothered with getting specific in the stanzas, I guess I could test it on ATS, where SP are not quite so golden to me (I have 150 in ALL forage branches, so I have more than a few "extra" SP that I could burn on all the specific stuff that I haven't bothered to get yet.)

I find that for ME...the longest prospection range I can use, and the highest number of nodes I can pull with the highest knoweldge I can use makes a BETTER hunting tool than Tracking EVER could.

See...with tracking, the best you get is a hot cold game for ONE node...that has just as high a chance of being "out of season" or the wrong grade, with my "searching" prospection stanza, I get EXACTLY what kind/grade is there and I get UP TO six nodes, and EXACTLY where they are...not a ROUGH guestimate. Once I find where all the nodes are...and map them, I use the "looking" stanza to find EXACTLY what I want, and then my "cheepo" stanza to pull using the least focus I can.

Using tracking to find and kind/grade etc of materials node generally finds the worthless nodes (basic, depleted, not in season etc. If I can't DIG it...I shouldn't find it...)

usinuk wrote:Err, not to get in the middle of the nice flame war that seems to be starting to brew here but a couple more observations:

1. When deposit tracking works I find that I can nail a specific mat of a specific quality down to a few meters within where I get the "very close message", not a 40 or 80m radius. I then back up a few feet, use an equally detailed (minor/major specific node, knowledge, etc...big focus cost) wide-angle prospection with multiple spots, and I'm usually within a few meters. Sometimes I need to do this a couple of times as I've overrun the spot, but I wouldn't call this 'broken'.

2. When it doesn't work I find that I am finding random mats of random qualities or worse yet, no mats at all in a region where I _know_ I have non-seasonal mats...or worse yet, I can find them where they're marked on my map using prospecting but not with deposit tracking. This has been confirmed by others in multiple posts as happening at various times - one poster had mentioned this happened when she learned a new harvest action - but it sounds from others like this happens a lot randomly, as it does to me. I would love to bug this repeatedly but if I can't nail down the situation that causes it I'm not sending in the tickets. Logging sometimes clears this.

One other tip: I do find the 'only' stanzas work more often than the 'up to' stanzas.

Back to shouting at one another...