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Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:10 pm
by zumwalt
Heh i can see a lot of invalid DHCP packets floating towards it the router's queue going up and never flushing ..... IOS 12.2
Welcome to forced player vaction version 1.0

Atleast an instable router will give us an excuse to go find something else to do with our time while they don't take our information on the router, call us idiots, and let there techs take months to fix it.

But hey, what do we know.

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:57 pm
by lariva
Heheh, this is why I offered consulting services in mindadar's post :)
zumwalt wrote:Welcome to forced player vaction version 1.0

Atleast an instable router will give us an excuse to go find something else to do with our time while they don't take our information on the router, call us idiots, and let there techs take months to fix it.

But hey, what do we know.

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:53 pm
by genzod23
I don't have a problem with a server outage, it happens I understand....

I don't have a problem with being kicked out of a game, because of a server outage, it happens I understand

I don't even have a problem with the server being down for an unspecified amount of time while it works on being fixed, I would rather you be working on fixing it than working on telling me it's broke........ it happens I understand........

BUT..........

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STARING AT A "PLEASE WAIT" SCREEN FOR 3 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!

ever since the invention of the 100 baud modem any software has been able to be coded to say <DRUMROLL> <GASP> <SHOCK> <AWE>
"your connection has timed out" and the program would close.......

GOOD FREAKING LORD!!!! ryzom will keep running and saying "please wait" til the end of time, you could stop hosting the game, close the servers cancel all subscriptions and for 18 billion years the computer will still run ryzom non stop and say "please wait"


Freaking code in a time out function , it's not that hard, when the server goes down, i should be kicked off..... not constantly pinging trying to get back on for 3 hours, time me out on the local client and close the program, instead i look at "please wait" for ever always hoping maybe if i give it 2 more mins it will come back, it's the watched pot that never boils, good lord, don't string me along just end it already..........

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:02 pm
by sprite
genzod23 wrote:I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STARING AT A "PLEASE WAIT" SCREEN FOR 3 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!
:| Or you could just hit "n" on youre keyboard, and see that "Network Status: Stalled" has appeared. Gee, I wonder what that could mean?

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:13 pm
by martinr
zumwalt wrote:ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

HAVE A REAL SERVER STATUS PAGE

Just a thought.
Something i noticed, when server closed, it says CLOSED, when the other message comes up, (cant remember it, shard not available) it says on server status page LOCKED

I think :S

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:19 pm
by dazman76
genzod23 wrote:Freaking code in a time out function , it's not that hard, when the server goes down, i should be kicked off..... not constantly pinging trying to get back on for 3 hours, time me out on the local client and close the program, instead i look at "please wait" for ever always hoping maybe if i give it 2 more mins it will come back, it's the watched pot that never boils, good lord, don't string me along just end it already..........

Firstly, you aren't a programmer. This I know, because if you were a programmer, you would never have typed half of that paragraph. Secondly, you don't know about routers, and the actual make-up of the internet in technical detail. With that, I'm talking ISP networks, country-wide backbones, stateful packet inspection, and many other factors I don't know about myself.

It boils down to this - there are so many factors involved with running large MMO servers, that none of us (even the most knowledgeable) can correctly assume what is happening. We don't have access to the server, we don't have access to the hardware, and we don't have access to the ISP's networks.

As Zum stated, this could well be a router issue - and as Cerest stated, the server wasn't even down.

Ever written a network timeout routine? Did it work every time, and work quickly? And then if you place a brand new, previously unused router in the mix, would the routine then work flawlessly? Or is there a chance the router could break the packet flow, leaving the code thinking 'well, the server is still there, so I'll keep testing for a response'?

Please don't claim to know what's happening or 'how freaking easy' it is to fix, because the only kind of reply you'll get is this kind. Oh, and one thing I really can't stand, is when people reply to posts, generally talking rubbish, and do it in capitals...

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:28 pm
by zumwalt
Hey I liked that OR.

*shrugs*

Since they put the new router in place, I get alot of *please wait* and loss of packet synch.

It could be firmware, hardware, cables, whatever.

As far as the server status page, to me its always stated OPEN.

*the path you take today to get to the server, will most likely NOT be the same path you take tomorrow, or even 5 minutes from now*

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:31 pm
by genzod23
dazman76 wrote:Firstly, you aren't a programmer. This I know, because if you were a programmer, you would never have typed half of that paragraph. Secondly, you don't know about routers, and the actual make-up of the internet in technical detail. With that, I'm talking ISP networks, country-wide backbones, stateful packet inspection, and many other factors I don't know about myself.

It boils down to this - there are so many factors involved with running large MMO servers, that none of us (even the most knowledgeable) can correctly assume what is happening. We don't have access to the server, we don't have access to the hardware, and we don't have access to the ISP's networks.

As Zum stated, this could well be a router issue - and as Cerest stated, the server wasn't even down.
You with all your knowledge, still don't have a freaking clue, because guess what? i've played over 14 MMORPGS and all of them except this one has had a client time out and exit the game if it does not get a timely response. this one however just says please wait, from now til eternity, because they don't have that basic function. Like i said ever since the invention of the modem , software has been able to say "your connection timed out" this one apparently can't. I realize that US and us software is higher technology than the frenchies, but i din't realize that they were 50 years behind us when it comes to timing out a server connection. If every other mmorpg i played from '99 and on can do it this this game should be able to do it also.

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:48 pm
by martinr
You do occasionally get the "you have been disconnected" though? I have had it many times after very long stalls, and saw it many a time in beta. The game does have it.

Re: CXan we get a response from moderators on server outage???

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:50 pm
by amcyr
Personally, I'd rather the game just sit there and let -me- decide when I've waited long enough (usually after a quick Klients check ;) ).