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maroo wrote:Is Abyss Eye a guild of honest harvesters/crafters or a guild of sorrow losers?

You better answer me that, cause i just noticed that a light armor you sold is from basic/medium quality instaed of the promised high quality. And for 1.5 million you expect something worthwhile.

XipeTotecPrime: Plz tell me i heard wrong and you're not a guild that should be shot at first sight in PR.

Ah...sorry for accusing the guild. YOU were the seller. Plz explain.

O_O
u asked me a zorai light armor, full set, with focus boost q160, isn't it?

noone talked about the high qyality plan (i crafted the caster pants in high quality plan but u don't wanted it... remember?)

...me and Xyreen have sold some others full set in these days and noone is here to flame like you... WHY?

i give u the armor and u wear it in front of me, if somewhat didn't like why u don't told me immediately? why wait 4 come write here in public? u are another that want throw scum on me and my guild?

u give me back the armor and I give back to you the money, no problem... thanx 4 the publicity u have done.

evilek wrote:O_O
u asked me a zorai light armor, full set, with focus boost q160, isn't it?

noone talked about the high qyality plan (i crafted the caster pants in high quality plan but u don't wanted it... remember?)

...me and Xyreen have sold some others full set in these days and noone is here to flame like you... WHY?

i give u the armor and u wear it in front of me, if somewhat didn't like why u don't told me immediately? why wait 4 come write here in public? u are another that want throw scum on me and my guild?

u give me back the armor and I give back to you the money, no problem... thanx 4 the publicity u have done.

Well, it wasn't me, but a guild member and it justed sounded to me as a rip-off. It just seems that medium q would be absolute minimum instead of basic. But I agree the buyer should've told you. Now i read all your shop-offers (should have done that before) i can see these are your normal prices.

I will pass the message of the possible refund. Good sportsmanship! Good luck with your shop.

ROFLMAO!

Honestly, this board is entertaining me more and more! The buyer can check the stuff *before* he buys it, etctetcetc.

My respect to both parties, btw. The seller for the offered refund, the flamer for taking back his flame. Nice to see good sports around here

It's about time people stopped posting on 'information from a friend' or 'complaints made by a guildmate'. This is 2 craft/trade accusations in 2 weeks, both of which prove to be unfounded and a waste of time. This is a generally mature community, which is occasionally dragged down by the kind of posting I'd expect to come from a school playground.

Although Xipe and Xyreen are obviously trying to make money (as most crafters do), they are also doing something that is quite rare at the moment - providing quality crafted goods to any player who needs them, regardless of guild membership. People have been crying out for non-guild crafted items, berating guild crafters for only supplying to their own people.

Now someone decides to break the habits, providing a wide range of items for sale to everyone, and what do they get? "My friend said this", "My guildmate says your gear is a rip-off", "you're a bunch of sorrow losers". If you don't have the full story, get your friend to post and make a fool of themselves instead. Pfft, and not even a real apology at that.

Maybe the guild only crafting is something in Zora only, I havent encountered it yet. Maybe because we are a guild of crafters and I can get everything I need from my guildies or build it myself, that I am not aware of hq stuff not being available for all. Okee, so I have a distorted view upon pricing and items that can be bought above a certain ql and plan. Sorry for my bliss ignorance

As long as anyone is willing to pay the price, most items can be obtained, no? I really dont want to undermine anyones business, but why the high prices? Are high level items really in such a demand or are they not very available? I know how a market works, if demand is high, prices go up. Can people maybe post what the high demanded items / sets are?

hans1976 wrote:I know how a market works, if demand is high, prices go up. Can people maybe post what the high demanded items / sets are?

High quality goods, at least as far as armors go, are in demand. People who don't give a jack of what they wear as far as it's good are in shortage also and the fact that high q now lasts longer since it uses more mats doesn't make it any worse, only better.

As long as anyone is willing to pay the price, most items can be obtained, no?

Unless the crafter in question has like 60mil worth of savings already, by-product of grinding his/her craft, high level crafter that is. I'd reckon it'll miraculously lessen the crafter's need for daps and therefore he/she goes something like guild only. That's a one theory and suffice to say that it almost bases on a true story.

I personally have always sold outside guild, it's just not the high q I'm selling out, no matter how much would I have daps in reserve already.

dazman76 wrote:It's about time people stopped posting on 'information from a friend' or 'complaints made by a guildmate'. This is 2 craft/trade accusations in 2 weeks, both of which prove to be unfounded and a waste of time. This is a generally mature community, which is occasionally dragged down by the kind of posting I'd expect to come from a school playground.

Although Xipe and Xyreen are obviously trying to make money (as most crafters do), they are also doing something that is quite rare at the moment - providing quality crafted goods to any player who needs them, regardless of guild membership. People have been crying out for non-guild crafted items, berating guild crafters for only supplying to their own people.

Now someone decides to break the habits, providing a wide range of items for sale to everyone, and what do they get? "My friend said this", "My guildmate says your gear is a rip-off", "you're a bunch of sorrow losers". If you don't have the full story, get your friend to post and make a fool of themselves instead. Pfft, and not even a real apology at that.

I always give the stuff away when i have the mats for it since it is not worth selling for. also i know a lot of peeps who dont bother for the cash.

Please dont say that no one provides Atys with stuff

And if you were so "mature" as you claim to be you would not be encuradging peeps to flame your thread by making reply's like this...

i would say "NooooooooooooooB!!!" but i think you would get it the wrong way so i wont.

hans1976 wrote:As long as anyone is willing to pay the price, most items can be obtained, no? I really dont want to undermine anyones business, but why the high prices? Are high level items really in such a demand or are they not very available? I know how a market works, if demand is high, prices go up. Can people maybe post what the high demanded items / sets are?

Amps everyone wants amps (q150 and up SUPREME)

vin99 wrote:Please dont say that no one provides Atys with stuff

I said it was quite rare, read the post you quoted. Also visit Zorai if you'd like an example of what I mean.

vin99 wrote:And if you were so "mature" as you claim to be you would not be encuradging peeps to flame your thread by making reply's like this...

*chuckle* And we seem to have a cascade effect? (See your Noob comment for reference...) The flaming began with your friend Maroo (did you even read that post btw?), which is exactly why you're here writing the reply. People shouldn't post like that unless they have the full story - it wasn't even Maroo who bought the armour. People should deal directly with players in-game if they have problems, or at least think before posting on the forums. Nuff said.

vin99 wrote:I would say "NooooooooooooooB!!!" but i think you would get it the wrong way so i wont.

Not at all. I take the criticism in the same mature sense as it was delivered. Or did you actually not say it? Still trying to work that one out...

I was kinda upset because i see a guildmate wearing a medium/basic light armor which had been sold to him for 1.6/1.5 million. I think that it is way overpriced and might have reacted too quickly with a post here. I do write a nice reply which you could see as an apology, but Dazman decides to stand up and actually ask for one? How's that for maturity?

I don't have a problem with Xipe or Abyss. I know the whole story now and like i said before: good luck with the shop. I actually like initiatives like that. I can't see the need for you, Dazman, to continue the flame by posting a reply. All was already done and dealt with imho.