GFUNK's plea to Nevrax and the community...

[aelvana]

This is the problem with this thread...

Computers are a tool.
Software, including games, are tools.
Operating systems are tools.

Use the tool best for the job, in the case of games, it is almost always windows.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Windows IS the best tool for Ryzom. If you're running Linux out of principle, when Windows would be easier on a day to day basis for all the things you do on your computer, then dear GOD, don't have the gall to ask for a Linux port...

Some people do run Linux for valid reasons, but I'm willing to bet that's none of us here :P

[thexdane]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Windows IS the best tool for Ryzom. If you're running Linux out of principle, when Windows would be easier on a day to day basis for all the things you do on your computer, then dear GOD, don't have the gall to ask for a Linux port...

Some people do run Linux for valid reasons, but I'm willing to bet that's none of us here

urge to flame and insult rising ... must ... not .... flame .... stupidity ... and .... ignorance

ok i run linux as my main operating system. i have used linux since 1999, first suse, then slackware and now gentoo linux

it served and still serves my day to day purposes and has for many years. i started to run it because i wanted to learn linux. now i run it because it's fast, secure, highly customizable and fills all my needs, cept a couple games and as i've said i won't support transgaming and their cedega product and wine isn't mature enough

as for windows being the best tool for the job, servers are ALL linux, read gfunk's post, the windows version is only for testing and NEVER for production. there is a reason for this windows CRASHES UNDER HIGH LOAD. heck you can notice this for yourself, here's how:

open windows media player, play a movie
open winamp, queue up files
open internet explorer, go to a site with java
run ryzom or any game that way

now press ctrl+alt+del and time how long it will take the task manager to come up or the box asking if you want to log off or open task manager and other things

i'll say it's going to take a few mins to do that

now try something similar in linux, i bet you to get another program running it will take maybe a min to get a ps -aux at a bash prompt

it's been proven several times that linux game run faster than windows programs.

so i'm going to suggest you do some actual research instead of just saying something about a subject you don't really have a clue about.

as for any of us running it for valid reasons, i'm sure there's LOTS of us who do for very valid reasons, either for work or for personal use. incase you didn't know linux and unix servers account for 68% of the webservers out there, the next highest is iis by microsoft at 21%

[aelvana]

thex, you're one of those people who uses Linux for the right reasons, because it's the best tool for the job 8) I spoke of people who don't use Linux as such, but run it mainly on principle (I did for a time...).

The reason I said Windows is the best tool for Ryzom is simply because Ryzom was programmed for Windows :P

[grandma]

I wouldn't say that I'm a disliked member of the Ryzom community at all, rather I think of myself as a well respected member of the community, both by players and GM's. I say these things not to brag, rather to let people who aren't familiar with me know my purpose here isn't to advocate anything other than Ryzom itself. I don't find it my place or mission to whine, complain, or judge the financial/political/strategical/tactical position of Nevrax, the ability of their programmers, or to force my opinions/beliefs about why i choose to use linux with this thread. The fact is that a linux client WILL bring players to this community. Whether the result is 2 or 2,000 more players I don't think should matter, because anything I can do to help or any one I can help to add to the community has me feel I have aided in making Ryzom a more enjoyable experience for all.

I say this because I know many people out there whom I have helped and maybe they feel they want to help me out but don't know how to. Whether you folks want to support my cause or not is entirely up to you, I look forward to the future in Ryzom playing with all of you regardless.

It saddens me that this thread has degenerated into "you should do this or that", and people trying to force their beliefs onto others. I simply ask for support from the community by sending in an automated support ticket/suggestion. I leave it entirely up to Nevrax to determine whether or not they will answer the calling for a linux client, I merely make the suggestion.

The world *IS* round! :0)

Thanks,

[aelvana]

GFunk, you're certainly not disliked by me. Whether I agree with people or not, intelligent and friendly discussion (happening in a forum) are GREAT. It's a rare and beautiful thing. I'm shocked that my penchant for biting sarcasm hasn't gotten me flamed in this thread 8)

IF I SAY MEAN AND NASTY THINGS, IT MEANS THAT I LOVE YOU!!!

[kisedd]

GFunk, you're certainly not disliked by me. Whether I agree with people or not, intelligent and friendly discussion (happening in a forum) are GREAT. It's a rare and beautiful thing. I'm shocked that my penchant for biting sarcasm hasn't gotten me flamed in this thread 8)

IF I SAY MEAN AND NASTY THINGS, IT MEANS THAT I LOVE YOU!!!

It seems to me that Nev is well in over their head right now with the tasks that need to be done to make this game work as they want. To add new content, fix their current round of bugs, and whatever else needs to be done.

Few games on the market run multiplatform. It takes a lot of extra development time and effort that I dont' think Nev has to try to track down more issues in another OS.

Sometimes following the road least followed is to be admired. Beating your head into a wall for the fun of it, is going to give you a headache.

[lootking]

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open windows media player, play a movie
open winamp, queue up files
open internet explorer, go to a site with java
run ryzom or any game that way

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took me one second to go from ryzom into task manager with 4 explorer windows running-one with a flash movie, winamp playing video and media player playing video. oh and just for kicks i started shareaza and got some files downloading



just so ya know, its not completely windows platforms that are the problem. its the systems theyre put in. mine is rock solid and ultra fast for running windows platforms and windows based games

[bizango]

Talking the advantages of either OS versus the other is like talking religion. In the end, no minds get changed and everyone is all heated up.

I expect there will be a bunch of pished off people if a Linux version is released because they would think the time was wasted on Linux instead of fixing & enhancing the Windows version. Pishing people off is not new to Nevrax if they want to do something.

The way I look at it, Nevrax is in business to make money, despite appearances that they seem to want to drive us all away from this game. Nevrax has TWO products to sell. They have Saga of Ryzom and they have licensing for the NeL game engine. Proving a successful port of an established MMORPG to Linux could be valuable for marketing the game engine, thus I expect a port *will* happen despite how valuable it might or might not be to Saga of Ryzom. Marketing the Linux port is not really a question, for example, free download if you own an account.

Sometimes, I get cynical looking at all the seesaw patches we've been getting since release. Sometimes it seems like we are guineapigs while Nevrax is demoing to potential customers just how easy it is to develop and implement gamechanging patches for NeL. Like for example: "Nevrax - show me how easy it is to totally change the way...... - and do it in three days."

[thexdane]

took me one second to go from ryzom into task manager with 4 explorer windows running-one with a flash movie, winamp playing video and media player playing video. oh and just for kicks i started shareaza and got some files downloading

just so ya know, its not completely windows platforms that are the problem. its the systems theyre put in. mine is rock solid and ultra fast for running windows platforms and windows based games

i know it happens with my linux box, less so since the 2.6 kernel. and that was even with my old cele 400a

thing is no matter what system windows is running on the mem management is bad and you can up a windows system way easier than a *nix one at half the speed, no matter how "supped up" your system is

as for linux bring more players, i'd fully agree that it would. i know for a fact that slashdot would post it on their main page and that would at least get ppl to look and if 1 in 50 that looked at the page actually got the game we'd be doing pretty good for new players

[trosky]

I have sent my ticket to Nevrax...

This thread is going nowhere... I shouldnt have replyed.