You guys who haven't bothered logging back in since patch 1 -- they fixed it since

[aelvana]

Bah, I never said the game was perfect and that Nevrox can do no wrong. I said it's not broken end of the world omg omg like a lot of people are saying, and trying to give a little insight as to why there's such an outcry. The reason there's no convincing me there are serious things wrong with it is because depending on how you look at it, they're quite balanced -- I think the real issue is whether it's your cup of tea, or whether you're used to it. That's something you'll never convince me otherwise on, so I guess you're right :P

[tleilaxu]

Bah, I never said the game was perfect and that Nevrox can do no wrong. I said it's not broken end of the world omg omg like a lot of people are saying, and trying to give a little insight as to why there's such an outcry. The reason there's no convincing me there are serious things wrong with it is because depending on how you look at it, they're quite balanced -- I think the real issue is whether it's your cup of tea, or whether you're used to it. That's something you'll never convince me otherwise on, so I guess you're right

WoW servers are down because of the sheer and insane demand for them so I thought I'd come back here and check out Ryzom again since I had such high hopes for the latter. Logged in. Hit some mobs, harvested a bit, logged out again in disgust because it feels like a pale shadow of the richness of the world that Blizzard has created.

WoW wins hands down for polish, content, PvP system, raiding system, and most importantly the sheer FUN of it. You never ever feel the grind in WoW because there is always something to do.

Maybe someday Ryzom may come close to approaching the fun factor of WoW for me. But by that time, WoW will have undoubtedly moved beyond its current incarnation to something even better.

So what was a game-killer for me with Ryzom?

1. PATCH 1 and its consequences were totally foreseeable & Nevrax chose to disregard ATS warnings from testers. Shows a certain cluelessness on the part of the Devs that no amount of earnest PR & customer service will be able to make up for. When such a large proportion of your playerbase becomes disenfranchised over something like this, its well nigh impossible to recover from it.

2. LACK OF CONTENT. Just the starting area of ONE of the races contained more entertaining content then I saw with 2 months of Ryzom. Beyond the initial excitement of the grind & learning the stanza skills system there's no staying power. Every raid we've had thus far stands far and above anything that happened during our time in Ryzom.

3. EXTREMELY low server populations. Feels like I'm logging into a depressed midwestern goldrush town every single time. MMO's are fun because of the people. Granted this is a result of a combination of bungled release & patching but also a lack of drawing power. Beyond the grind Ryzom has nothing to offer. At least WoW has a fully implemented end game that is tons of fun.

4. LACK OF POLISH. Auction system for WoW? Check. Vendor System? Check. Mail system where you can trade items? Check. Free bank slots + option of buying more? Check. Dialog/storyline? Check. On every turn WoW has thought of every little touch. Everytime I think, "hmm... WoW would be even more awesome if they had so and so...", I find out, "Hey! It's already there!" Good job Blizzard. Ryzom feels half-baked in comparison.

That's my two cents.

Cieran
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[vaquero1]

The game is just broken for new players. Can't advance in craft, suckling yubos on newbie island could kill you in a single hit for a full week following patch 1 (probably the only bug that has ever been publicly acknolwedged in the history of the boards), and the learning curve is ridiculous and has just gotten worse. That alone is enough of a rebuttal.

Sure dont agree with that. You been back to noob island? I have...I dont know what your talking about. I have had a noob island character on Zorai for a while now (almost as long as my normal character i play) and I can craft (crafting is EZ lotta XP), kill yubos and stuff.

Ive never really had to much trouble with ryzom the game.


You know I wish people would be as mad about the goverment as they r about this game. I mean you PAY for sevices from the goverment that go to people to sit on the fat butt and do nothing all day. Our criminal system is broken and there are homeless people on the street. The kids no have NO respect for themselves or others. AND WE SIT LIKE ZOMBIES AND STILL PAY FOR THAT CRAP. Police, fire, EMT and teachers get paid dirt for a very hard job they do. Gangster punks that RAP about killing and raping and disrespect for women get payed millions. Dang life is wierd. We b#$ch about this game....maybe we sould b#$ch about how bad things are here in the real world.

Just a thought form my world if you dont like..........o well!

[raynes]

I guess you didn't read the rest of my post once you saw the dedicated healer part, since in every post describing yourself you have made on the main boards you describe yourself primarily as a healer. (Oh, yes, priestess is just a melee title - not!) Sorry if your own description isn't accurate.

And for the part that you haven't responded to - half the crafters in the game have left. No one is there to replace them as the newbie nerfs I described are exactly accurate. Those of us who are left are badly discouraged. But I guess you play that class too so you know it. At least you're enjoying the lower prices brought on by the devs deciding every harvester in the game leaving was not an option so the biggest pander in the history of the game went to the class that whined the most. (Oh, yes, for the record I'm a 100+ harvester too.)

And as a high level fighter do you solo? Didn't think so. Why was I invited to team up with 100+ level friends when my mage level is so low? Because they can't advance otherwise. Strangely enough, I actually play a balanced character leveling across all lines, one of the very, very few in the game. (Yes, even ranged.) Its why I feel comfortable taking on players opinions in different classes - because I play them too.

The game is just broken for new players. Can't advance in craft, suckling yubos on newbie island could kill you in a single hit for a full week following patch 1 (probably the only bug that has ever been publicly acknolwedged in the history of the boards), and the learning curve is ridiculous and has just gotten worse. That alone is enough of a rebuttal.

Your description of Ryzom's customer service is unbalanced at best and fanboish at worst. Its wonderful to have a response in 5 minutes. Its awful that the reponse is from a guide who can't do anything, to have a ticket you send in be lost in the ether, to have suggestion after suggestion and bug after bug ignored. (Why bother spending 5 hours testing on the ATS as I did to find every single bug in it was introduced to the game.) And when was the last dev chat, FBT? If you can direct me to a single post or apology ever posted by a dev, I'd love to see the link. Doesn't exist. Some people are happy with devs and CSRs working in a vacuum. I'm not. Responding to the disaster of half of your base leaving - and I think that's what's happened given how much of my friends list has disappeared - is not good customer service. Its panic.

Oh, and finally, lets talk about describing Ryzom in a realistic light, and presuming to know what I base my comments on...

Says the anonymous reviewer Aelvana Luvlana (Amazon ain't Ryzom, you're supposed to be putting your real name on it if you have any aspirations towards reviews that help people and aren't hyping one way or the other), September 16, 2004:

'The game is actually finished and fully playable, aside from a few unnamed objects and unimportant bugs, which will be corrected soon.

The detailed quests, storyline, NPC interaction, invasions, guild wars, and changing landscapes are all finished but were left OUT of the beta. Underwater travel and mounts, as well as permanent changes to each server based on its players actions, will be introduced soon. Please keep in mind that almost all reviews here came from beta testers who may have been unaware that the beta was just a skeleton of the game.

Having played the beta knowing this, and knowing what's already been tested but not publicly revealed, I'd say this game is an absolute winner. I'm going to purchase the day it goes retail.'

Glad your crystal ball is so accurate; you presume to know so many things that have come to pass! Oh, they haven't? Well, since you clearly have a inside line to the devs and know so much more than the rest of us, keep hyping the game even if your track record is awful. I'm sorry to slam you this hard, but enough's enough.

While I still like this game enough to subscribe, there are huge issues and covering them up by cheering loudly ain't a solution when I see friend after friend leave and get slammed by people like you who view any unsubscribed player as the enemy who couldn't possibly be right. They're still my friends.

I think that the truth will get more people to subscribe and actually stay, which is why I post here. Keep verging on fanboism and we'll keep down this path, and lose more players than we gain, which benefits no one.

1) I play a level 120 melee fighter and I can solo. You just have to know where to look and what to fight. So if you are argueing that you can't solo, it's nothing more than the fact you are lazy and don't want to take the time to learn how to fight.

2) There are lots of new players that are joining and lots of them enjoy the game. The only people who are still *****ing about how hard things are for new players are the old players who can't get over the fact that things changed in the game. I have asked many new players and have yet to find one that is complaining how hard things are. Instead of complaining why don't you actually take the time to talk to new players.

3) The devs don't owe anyone an apoligy. They fixed the complaints people had. That is enough. If you are expecting apoligies for developmental issues, then leave the game now, it will never happen.

4) This is a MMO designed to tell the Saga of Ryzom over 8 years. We are just past month 2 that means there are 94 more months to go. Detailed quests will start to be added in patch two with the introduction of the encylopedia and rites of passage. To get access to the rites you have to find and interact with the various npc tribes scattered throughout the land. Invasions have happened, a few in fact. GM's got mounts in this patch, the second patch will introduce them to players. Changes to the server and new areas will be added over time, again it is only month 2, 94 more to go.

[raynes]

94 more months? of what? skinning animals? Or another "Kill 3 Kitin for me and I will reward you 100 dapper." quests? Give it up... you are blinded too.

If you honestly think the game now is how it's going to stay, you are a fool. Do some research on the encylopedia due out next patch.

[vaquero1]

Noramally dont agree with raynes but this time i do this is not how the game is going to stay im sure of it....