Trykers and comparison
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Re: Trykers and comparison
"And very sorry all for this outburst but we all have some limits at times.'
And I have reached mine.
Many words spoken here have been insulting and paint a picture of some universe other then what we dwell in.
Shall we look at things as they really are?
Shall we examine what it is to be a Tryker?
Being a Tryker
What is our faith?
Jena is our Goddess, she is the Mother of Creation. Many of our customs are centered around her worship. There's Thanksgiving Day, for example, it falls on the winter solstice to symbolize the return of light after the dark years that followed the Great Swarming. So that it doesn't happen again, we must live by her Law which is handed down to us by her faithful disciples, the Karavan. They watch over us and protect us from Kami possession.
What we value most?
To be a true Tryker, you gotta live by the virtues of freedom, equality and sharing:
Freedom: Consider all homins responsible and free of their acts. Any homin violating the freedom of another will be in breach of the Homin Rights Act, which as it happens, was first drawn up by the Tryker Council.
Equality: Every homin has an equal right to walk the land, to obtain instruction, to harvest the natural resources, to choose their own destiny, as long as they don't encroach on other homin rights.
Sharing: We believe that our force lies in our solidarity and that solidarity is borne from sharing. If we could persuade all Jena's children to be like us Trykers the world would be a safer place!
What are our prohibitions?
- You must never make a pact or do a mission for the Kamis. They are evil demons and will possess your soul.
- Never breach the Law of Jena.
- Never carry out missions for enemy tribes.
- If you venture down beneath the surface of Atys, be careful not to wake the dreaded dragon of the apocalypse.
- It is forbidden to spread dragon fire over the lands. It makes the land sterile.
Who are our friends?
Since the Peace Treaty signed at Fairhaven in 2515, we have been at peace with the other homin peoples. But that don't stop us having our likes and dislikes.
- Matis: Despite past disputes and misunderstandings, the Matis now respect our freedom of thought and our right to build our society as we feel fit. After all, what really counts is that we share a faith in Jena. Thanks to Jena our friendship has never been stronger, especially since the Matis ratified the Homin Rights Act. What's more, to a certain extent the Matis owe us their freedom after the dictatorship of Jinovitch. Not only did the Tryker Council give Yrkanis political asylum in Fairhaven but Still Wyler escorted him back into Matis lands to defeat Jinovitch to accede to the throne.
- Fyros: The Fyros were once allies who exploited our need for protection by having us supply Fyros towns with merchandise at low cost. Since we've learnt to fight for ourselves we no longer need the patronizing Fyros protectors, especially with the new feeling of fraternity with the Matis. And besides, the Fyros have gotten closer to the Kamis.
- Zoraï: The Zoraïs are not to be trusted, they openly breach Jena Law by venerating the Kamis. What's more, during the Great Swarming in the old lands, the Zoraïs refused to let us through their great wall and let many thousands of Trykers perish in the jaws of the kitins. More recently, it was the Zoraïs who first installed slavery in the new lands.
- Friendly tribes include: The Frahar Hunters, The Silt Sculptors, The Corsairs, The Beachcombers, The Shadow Runners, The Green Seed, The Slash and Burn, The Ecowarriors, The Oasis Diggers, The Kuilde.
Who are our enemies?
- The Kamis: They are an evil blight, they try to blow your mind with their magic just to possess you. They ought to be stamped out.
- The Kitins: These gigantic insects massacred many thousands of Trykers and devastated our wonderful floating cities in the old lands of Trykoth.
- The Dragon: It has never been seen, but we know it's lurking deep down in the bowels of Atys somewhere. There's not much we can do about it though, best put it to the back of the mind.
- Enemy tribes include: The Sap Gleaners, The Chlorogoos, The Lawless, The Lagoon Brothers, The Slavers, The Tutors, The Ancient Dryads, The Woven Bridles, The Darkening Sap.
- Bandits: Better watch out for outlaws, thieves and cutthroats, they get all over the place.
- Animal predators: There are lots of real nasty animals on Atys, make sure you watch your step if you don't wanna end up as their dinner!
The Kami
Strange and eerie entities capable of taking on various appearances.
Let's look at the OPs.
In the Lakelands:
Greenvale Trade Post - q50 Veni Vidi Vici (a neutral Matis guild)
Windway Workshop - q100 Apostles (a neutral Matis guild)
Fount Porch Trade Post - q150 Aeden Artisans (Tryker guild)
Graveyard Gate Research Centre - q200 Ballistic Mystix (Tryker guild)
Twintops Workshop - q200 Red Ribbon Army (Tryker guild)
Loria Stronghold - q250 Aeden Artisans (Tryker guild)
Whirling Stronghold - q250 Guardians of Jena (Tryker guild)
It does appear that the Lakelands are more Tryker then some would have us assume.
Some say there must be more.
Then why has Greenvale Trade Post and Windyway Workshop been left uncontested by those crying "The Lakelands for Trykers!'?
I see a Tryker guild in Fyrsoian lands. Was this for the greed of the mats it produces, or expansionism, or just a political ploy to keep it in kami hands?
Consider the responses.
The first would show an opportunistic and self-serving people. But this cannot be, they are Trykers.
The second would make them as evil as the Matis have been describe. Yet, the Matis, thanks to Jena, our friendship with them has never been stronger.
Or have they entered into an unholy alliance with those dwelling in darkness? I shudder at the thought.
Consider the ramifications!
My brothers and sisters lost and fallen to the evil blight, possessed by demons!
It would be too easy to turn a deaf ear to their derisive and spiteful words, to close my eyes to their culpable acts or to remain silent when a cacophony of viciousness fills the air. Instead, I implore those lost in the darkness, turn back to the light. Return to Jena's arms. Let us share the burden.
Only as one can we stand true to our spirit.
Being a Tryker in this land of Atys means much, demands a greatness of spirit and a sense of ourselves. It is not some attributes, religious thought or moral guidance from which we can frivolously pick and choose. You are either a Tryker or a shadow of one. I am a Tryker!
And I have reached mine.
Many words spoken here have been insulting and paint a picture of some universe other then what we dwell in.
Shall we look at things as they really are?
Shall we examine what it is to be a Tryker?
Being a Tryker
What is our faith?
Jena is our Goddess, she is the Mother of Creation. Many of our customs are centered around her worship. There's Thanksgiving Day, for example, it falls on the winter solstice to symbolize the return of light after the dark years that followed the Great Swarming. So that it doesn't happen again, we must live by her Law which is handed down to us by her faithful disciples, the Karavan. They watch over us and protect us from Kami possession.
What we value most?
To be a true Tryker, you gotta live by the virtues of freedom, equality and sharing:
Freedom: Consider all homins responsible and free of their acts. Any homin violating the freedom of another will be in breach of the Homin Rights Act, which as it happens, was first drawn up by the Tryker Council.
Equality: Every homin has an equal right to walk the land, to obtain instruction, to harvest the natural resources, to choose their own destiny, as long as they don't encroach on other homin rights.
Sharing: We believe that our force lies in our solidarity and that solidarity is borne from sharing. If we could persuade all Jena's children to be like us Trykers the world would be a safer place!
What are our prohibitions?
- You must never make a pact or do a mission for the Kamis. They are evil demons and will possess your soul.
- Never breach the Law of Jena.
- Never carry out missions for enemy tribes.
- If you venture down beneath the surface of Atys, be careful not to wake the dreaded dragon of the apocalypse.
- It is forbidden to spread dragon fire over the lands. It makes the land sterile.
Who are our friends?
Since the Peace Treaty signed at Fairhaven in 2515, we have been at peace with the other homin peoples. But that don't stop us having our likes and dislikes.
- Matis: Despite past disputes and misunderstandings, the Matis now respect our freedom of thought and our right to build our society as we feel fit. After all, what really counts is that we share a faith in Jena. Thanks to Jena our friendship has never been stronger, especially since the Matis ratified the Homin Rights Act. What's more, to a certain extent the Matis owe us their freedom after the dictatorship of Jinovitch. Not only did the Tryker Council give Yrkanis political asylum in Fairhaven but Still Wyler escorted him back into Matis lands to defeat Jinovitch to accede to the throne.
- Fyros: The Fyros were once allies who exploited our need for protection by having us supply Fyros towns with merchandise at low cost. Since we've learnt to fight for ourselves we no longer need the patronizing Fyros protectors, especially with the new feeling of fraternity with the Matis. And besides, the Fyros have gotten closer to the Kamis.
- Zoraï: The Zoraïs are not to be trusted, they openly breach Jena Law by venerating the Kamis. What's more, during the Great Swarming in the old lands, the Zoraïs refused to let us through their great wall and let many thousands of Trykers perish in the jaws of the kitins. More recently, it was the Zoraïs who first installed slavery in the new lands.
- Friendly tribes include: The Frahar Hunters, The Silt Sculptors, The Corsairs, The Beachcombers, The Shadow Runners, The Green Seed, The Slash and Burn, The Ecowarriors, The Oasis Diggers, The Kuilde.
Who are our enemies?
- The Kamis: They are an evil blight, they try to blow your mind with their magic just to possess you. They ought to be stamped out.
- The Kitins: These gigantic insects massacred many thousands of Trykers and devastated our wonderful floating cities in the old lands of Trykoth.
- The Dragon: It has never been seen, but we know it's lurking deep down in the bowels of Atys somewhere. There's not much we can do about it though, best put it to the back of the mind.
- Enemy tribes include: The Sap Gleaners, The Chlorogoos, The Lawless, The Lagoon Brothers, The Slavers, The Tutors, The Ancient Dryads, The Woven Bridles, The Darkening Sap.
- Bandits: Better watch out for outlaws, thieves and cutthroats, they get all over the place.
- Animal predators: There are lots of real nasty animals on Atys, make sure you watch your step if you don't wanna end up as their dinner!
The Kami
Strange and eerie entities capable of taking on various appearances.
Let's look at the OPs.
In the Lakelands:
Greenvale Trade Post - q50 Veni Vidi Vici (a neutral Matis guild)
Windway Workshop - q100 Apostles (a neutral Matis guild)
Fount Porch Trade Post - q150 Aeden Artisans (Tryker guild)
Graveyard Gate Research Centre - q200 Ballistic Mystix (Tryker guild)
Twintops Workshop - q200 Red Ribbon Army (Tryker guild)
Loria Stronghold - q250 Aeden Artisans (Tryker guild)
Whirling Stronghold - q250 Guardians of Jena (Tryker guild)
It does appear that the Lakelands are more Tryker then some would have us assume.
Some say there must be more.
Then why has Greenvale Trade Post and Windyway Workshop been left uncontested by those crying "The Lakelands for Trykers!'?
I see a Tryker guild in Fyrsoian lands. Was this for the greed of the mats it produces, or expansionism, or just a political ploy to keep it in kami hands?
Consider the responses.
The first would show an opportunistic and self-serving people. But this cannot be, they are Trykers.
The second would make them as evil as the Matis have been describe. Yet, the Matis, thanks to Jena, our friendship with them has never been stronger.
Or have they entered into an unholy alliance with those dwelling in darkness? I shudder at the thought.
Consider the ramifications!
My brothers and sisters lost and fallen to the evil blight, possessed by demons!
It would be too easy to turn a deaf ear to their derisive and spiteful words, to close my eyes to their culpable acts or to remain silent when a cacophony of viciousness fills the air. Instead, I implore those lost in the darkness, turn back to the light. Return to Jena's arms. Let us share the burden.
Only as one can we stand true to our spirit.
Being a Tryker in this land of Atys means much, demands a greatness of spirit and a sense of ourselves. It is not some attributes, religious thought or moral guidance from which we can frivolously pick and choose. You are either a Tryker or a shadow of one. I am a Tryker!
Re: Trykers and comparison
apostles are not matis - their leader is karavan tryker!madirrah wrote:Windway Workshop - q100 Apostles (a neutral Matis guild
other than that - hear hear
Re: Trykers and comparison
Hmm, maybe someone should make this public that the Apostles are Tryker Karavan now. If I would have be asked, I had said the Apostles are a neutral Karavan guild, and they own a guildhall in Yrkanis.dakhound wrote:apostles are not matis - their leader is karavan tryker!
other than that - hear hear
So I am wrong again. I think I become old.
Trini
Tryker Refugee
Trini - Darkmoor Rangers
Re: Trykers and comparison
Their guildhall is in Pyr.thlau wrote: I had said the Apostles are a neutral Karavan guild, and they own a guildhall in Yrkanis.
So I am wrong again. I think I become old.
P.S. Also Veni Vidi Vici is a Neutral neutral guild (with a guild hall in Yrkanis but a long history in Fairhaven).
Last edited by riveit on Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
High Officer of Aeden Artisans
Re: Trykers and comparison
well you not far wrong, they are karavan, with a tryker leader. their Gh is actually based in pyr (it was easier to move stuff into the GH there when the guild was started)thlau wrote:Hmm, maybe someone should make this public that the Apostles are Tryker Karavan now. If I would have be asked, I had said the Apostles are a neutral Karavan guild, and they own a guildhall in Yrkanis.
So I am wrong again. I think I become old.
Trini
Tryker Refugee
Re: Trykers and comparison
Ahh, okay. Then it correctly I should readdakhound wrote:well you not far wrong, they are karavan, with a tryker leader. their Gh is actually based in pyr (it was easier to move stuff into the GH there when the guild was started)
Windway Workshop - q100 Apostles (a Karavan Fyros based guild)
Thank you for helping me understanding it.
Because I already learned, that a Tryker leader doesn't make a Tryker guild.
And a Karavan guild leader doesn't make a Karavan guild.
Trini
Tryker Refugee
Trini - Darkmoor Rangers
Re: Trykers and comparison
Damned !madirrah wrote: You are either a Tryker or a shadow of one. I am a Tryker!
I never attacked a Tryker guild cause i wanted a matis guild to take their outpost in the Lakes...
I never had fun or dance on the not-cold body of Still Wyler...
Damned, i'm not a real tryker like you
Well to comfort me, and because Wyler did not killed his wife instead of marry her (Kamis are Trykers ennemies....even if they are Trykers), i still can consider myself on his side
How sad must be your life, made of black and white, without any touch of grey....
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However you have attacked Tryker guilds because you wanted Fyrosian or Zorai guilds to take their outposts in the Lakes. Your guild also gave away a Lakeland outpost to a Fyrosian guild. Your guild has declared on several Tryker outposts in Lakelands.aude03 wrote:Damned !
I never attacked a Tryker guild cause i wanted a matis guild to take their outpost in the Lakes...
You can't blame Pipp for that. I called for Tryker elections as soon as Governor Wyler died. Calling for elections is not dancing on Wyler's body but rather honoring the democratic traditions of the Lakelands that Governor Wyler upheld.aude03 wrote:I never had fun or dance on the not-cold body of Still Wyler...
See! there is plenty of mud at hand!
Last edited by riveit on Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
High Officer of Aeden Artisans
Re: Trykers and comparison
If that is the case it is no way worse than standing side by side with matis imperialists to avoid that a Tryker outpost falls back in the hand of Trykers.riveit wrote:However you have attacked Tryker guilds because you wanted Fyrosian or Zorai guilds to take their outposts in the Lakes.
Trini
Tryker Refugee
Trini - Darkmoor Rangers
Re: Trykers and comparison
OOC: My opinion is that we are all Trykers! Trykers are a very diverse bunch! They are exuberant, creative, mercantile, fun-loving - "wily hedonists who are great explorers and inventors" according to the Lore. They live in Atys' only democracy. Diversity thrives in a democracy. We have both fanatic Karavan and fanatic Kamist groups. We have atheist and secular Trykers. We have pure neutral Trykers. We had some Trytonists (not sure how many are left.) We have "Tryker-first" Trykers and "religion-first" Trykers. We have oligarchs, aristocrats and democrats. We have pacifists and war-crazed Trykers. We have seen both capitalist-like and socialist-like policies. We have Trykers that started on one side and then switched to the other. We have Trykers with strange and contradictory agendas. I like to compare the Lakelands to democratic Athens or a Renaissance Italian city-state. Culturally creative and exuberant, socially and politically in turmoil and often civil war.thlau wrote:If that is the case it is no way worse than standing side by side with matis imperialists to avoid that a Tryker outpost falls back in the hand of Trykers.
I have always enjoyed being a Tryker because you have so much choice here and so many tough decisions. You can play so many options as a Tryker.
High Officer of Aeden Artisans