It's not a Bug, It's a Feature

[jared96]

what time of day (atys) did you prospect ? it may explain right weather / wrong weather "at the same time and weather".
you sure you didnt get "lucky" and hit it the time weather was changing ?

If that were true, it doesn't explain the fact that tarcking said GOOD weather both before and after the bad weather prospect, repeatedly.

If ya caught all the details, did this repeatedly (same mat and class) over and over:

Step 1 - cast track and get good weather
Step 2 - cast prospect and get bad weather
Step 3 - cast track and get good weather
Step 4 - cast prospect and get bad weather

etc
etc
etc

Step 25 - cast track and get good weather
Step 26 - cast prospect and get bad weather

This was over a good 15 minute period where I repeatedly did it till track said bad weather. I switched to tracking with sup weather and got the 27m message.....Sup Prospect then worked fine. After the sup was gone, a while later found exe weather again and repeated steps 1-26 with same result. I spent a godd 2+ hours there with no change.

You don't get six skill trees to 244-250 w/o having a bit of experience doing this. After all that time digging to master both desert dig and PR dig and all those skill trees ya kinda get the hang of things. It just seems too weird that I am seeing this for the first time right after a patch, that I have never seen, no one I asked in game has ever seen it and, so far, no one on thread has experienced it.

[jared96]

nope, because if you time it right, weather can change between step 1 and step 2.
if you already didnt know, then 11 to 12, 2 to 3, 5 to 6, 8 to 9 (am and pm) are the times weather is changing and not constant. prospecting 11:45 (step 1) and 11:46 (step 2) can be 2 totally different weathers.

I don't think you read the whole post. I can see your conclusion if I only did it once but didn't you see the part about repeating over and over again ? Weather could have changed from good to bad but as I said:

1. I was camped there before season changed.
2. I was checking for good weather every few seconds.
3. If it was bad and then few seconds later I finally got it to pop good, I think we'd all agree I have, at the very least 5 minutes (again this is exe not sup) not 5 seconds for it to remain good.
4. For it to come up bad then good then bad, then good, then bad all within a 20 second or so span defies logic.

Again, in my experience, weather doesn't change from bad to good and back to bad again within a 15-20 second span. I said originally that I kept doing this over and over again. If that wasn't clear, here's the "expanded version" using your start time of say 11:46. Times are in (hour:minutes:seconds)

1. Good weather on tracking at 11:46:00
2. Bad weather on prospect at 11:46:10
3. Good weather on tracking at 11:46:15
4. Bad weather on prospect at 11:46:20

wait few secs or so for focus to regen

1. Good weather on tracking at 11:47:00
2. Bad weather on prospect at 11:47:10
3. Good weather on tracking at 11:47:15
4. Bad weather on prospect at 11:47:20

Repeat over and over again every minute or so without break for 15-18 RL minutes with good weather and bad weather alternating every 5 seconds. Then....

Good weather on tracking at 12:05:00
Bad weather on prospec at 12:05:05
Bad weather on tracking at 12:05:10 (exe weather gone)


Now hang out long enough for exe weather to appear again when tracking and repeat all of the above and get the exact same result with good and bad weather alternating every 5 seconds for another 15-18 minute span.

1. Good weather on tracking at 2:46:00
2. Bad weather on prospect at 2:46:10
3. Good weather on tracking at 2:46:15
4. Bad weather on prospect at 2:46:20

wait 40 secs or so for focus to regen

1. Good weather on tracking at 2:47:00
2. Bad weather on prospect at 2:47:10
3. Good weather on tracking at 2:47:15
4. Bad weather on prospect at 2:47:20

and so on till no good weather on tracking.

[jamela]

Perhaps your pick is faulty? I believe Pero makes very fine instruments for prospectors, try one of his.

Seriously though, does sound like something is broken. If you've been using an outpost pick, did you tried a standard one?

[blaah]

3. If it was bad and then few seconds later I finally got it to pop good, I think we'd all agree I have, at the very least 5 minutes (again this is exe not sup) not 5 seconds for it to remain good.

nope, good weather dont stay "good" for at least 5 min every time. and yes, it can be "bad" after 5 sec.

4. For it to come up bad then good then bad, then good, then bad all within a 20 second or so span defies logic.

no it doesn't, we dealing with Nevrax here (j/k)

Again, in my experience, weather doesn't change from bad to good and back to bad again within a 15-20 second span.

and so on till no good weather on tracking.

well... if you could of explained like this in the first place...seems more fubar than it should be.

anyway... i have poped out of season/weather mats before (once or twice on whole dig career) not a big deal.
go back to that spot and try to reproduce the bug, try to reproduce the bug in new spot with other mats than BubbleGum. if you cant, just forget about it, it's not worth the trouble (like most things in Atys).

btw, good luck on prospecting every 10 atys seconds as 1 atys min only lasts around 3 rl seconds . and yes, i was using atys time/min.

[akicks]

No, it doesn't. If that were true, why would tracking for Supreme Bubble Gum give message "not available in this season", "not available under these weather conditions", "not avaialable at this time" ?

If it was regardless of "weather / season", we wouldn't be getting those messages.

When you started tracking, it was available.

When you prospected it wasn't.

There is a time delay between you starting your tracking action and running to the spot. In this time anything can happen. The weather can change again, the time of day can change. etc etc

[d29565]

...This is why I dig choice mats and hunt for sup mats.

[targosz]

Geez ..this starting to be a real paranoia...newbies criticize game or oldies for their lack of knowledge! FFS mate- try to understand the game mechanics and learn how to forage and if you too impatient ask one of masters foragers for tips they will happily help u - but never ever moan about things u don't have thesmallest clue!

[praha]

This and countless number of issues were a biproduct of how Nevrax operated. Usually it happens like this:

1.) They would do patches and not fully relase all the changes in that patch like other gaming companies would (nerf or not it would still be nice to know)

Or

2.) Nevrax would just do phantom server side patches and not tell the CSR's or devs of the new changes (or if we are lucky maybe the higer ups in Jolt would find out and the info would trickle down as bug reports would come in).

I don't know why Nevrax enjoyed making themselves look like they did less work than they did by not being as transparent with their patch notes. Not all nerfs are bad if the game is more balanced in the end. It's really just more frustrating in the end if you wasted hrs trying to figure out stuff just to find out another covert patch occured. I don't think you PR dig issues are a biproduct of this. Mainland Jungle in the Mull can be just as annoying at lower lvls (due to lack of skills) with bizzare weather messages on choice mats in a LvL 200 zone and other oddities.

[jamela]

Don't you just hate it when people reply to your posts, and even criticize you, when they very obviously haven't bothered to read and understand what you say?

On topic, jared could you just confirm that the prospection action you were using to pop the source only covered a very small area? Like 10m radius, 90 degree angle, or smaller? A larger area may well overlap nodes other than the one your tracking action brought you to.

Edit: I see that you did try no range as well.

[apziro]

So I'm down at my favorite BubbleGum spot when season changes. And I cast tracking for Gum\Bubble for sup only (wrong weather) .... cast for exe only (wrong weather) ....rinse and repeat each time focus regens. Then I get a hit 43m on exe.....40.....35.........1m. I cast prospect for exe BubbleGum......i get wrong weather message. I cast for supreme, wrong weather; I cast for choice I get pops; I cast for exe get wrong weather; I track for exe again and I get 1 m again so tracking telling me it's still exe weather....both before and after. I walk all around 75' radius and no changes. Tracking brings me to 1m, prospect says wrong weather......try range from 0 to max, same thing. Later tracking says sup is up and I go to and dig it up. Note that I have dug exe and sup this spot many, many times and know the exact blade of grass to stand on. The only reason I even bother to sue tracking is to stay outta range of the nasties until the right weather pops.

Could it be that a different node of exc BubbleGum requiring different weather/season conditions at a location you're not aware of is part of the same deposit? That would lead you to the deposit, promising right conditions, and you end up trying to prospect a different source than what actually triggered your track.