Stealing of Atys Resources Will Not Be Tolerated

[raynes]

You are the incarnate darkness that exists in the mind of every Kamist.

You have no idea what is in the mind of a Kamist!

[OOC]
It's getting difficult to respond to everyone! lol I'd also like to say that everyone is taking this in the spirit it was meant. This stuff is what I love about ryzom and what I beleive makes the game interesting.

[/OOC]

[vguerin]

"To those who break their laws, the Kamis promise vengance."

Bay on little gingo, bay on.

Et tu lil gingo... trying to ride the coattails of the heretic Raynes. He alone comitted these acts of genocide and will be accountable...

Consider this then...

*Jyudas picks up the dapper*
It is the very life blood of Atys, and ourselves.

It can buy friends, companionship, love.

A dapperless homin can have honor, compassion and beliefs... The friends and love that dapper can buy will only be around as long as your good fortune. You worship your dappers, when the days of reckoning come you will see what they can buy you !

It doesn't hide behind an impenetrable mask, it doesn't pollute our home with its foul smokes and strange lights. It doesn't demand I kill its enemies, it doesn't masquerade as a god to take advantage of our naive simplemindedness.

The Karavan are not hiding behind masks, they wear masks and suits to protect themselves from gasses emitted by the goo, a by product of the Kami no doubt. You use the word demand because you are not a homin of faith. We are/were required to do nothing, if we chose to follow specific directives given by the Karavan in the name of the goddess we made a choice. "our simplemindedness" more mirrors some of the references you make to dappers and less to what those of faith make as choices.

With enough dapper I could topple the Emperor, depose the king, control the federation or break the faith of the Zorai.

It has lead to me being a force of balance in these lands, the desperate Kami willing to pay for a strong sword arm to help fend off the advances of the imperialist Matis who, in their arrogance, mostly refuse to pay.

All this dapper you seem to have yet it was not enough for your guild to hold an Outpost... your hypocricy has no bounds.

They allowed every Homin to dig and exploit the old lands, instead of making sure that the future of Atys herself is assured.

They are not infallible beings from beyond, they are not gods. Ma-Duk is a hypocrite, and so is any Kami follower who believes that they help protect our land from over enthused diggers.

I believe in the Kami principles at heart. We should protect our world, we should keep the land in balance. But I can not agree with their practices, because their practices do not follow their ideals.

Gamic.arispotle
Master Forest Forager
High Officer of The Samsara - Wealth and Glory

Of course your not the only member of your guild not practicing what they preach in efforts to sway others moral compass.

If your group takes so much of the resources of Atys, they will stop you. As they have the ability to know the instant a homin takes too much, they must be tied to Atys. There simply is no other explaination. Therefore I beleive them when they say who they are and why they are here.

No other explanation ? There are any number of explanations...

Their protections are limited to a very specific area, those not believing in the Kami might think it was to keep a balance to allow the goo to manifest. Move 100 meters from where the Kami have determined you have overdug and you have freedom to dig again. Nothing has been limited but a specific location and even then they allow us back soon after. Tied to Atys or the goo, they don't truly stop digging only keep a vague balance.

I also beleive Atys must be protected at all costs. As the Kami know more of the planet I trust in their guidance led by the great Ma-Duk. Their message is clear, the stealing of resources for the Karavan is a wrong. It is wrong becuase the Karavan seek to take the resources and not replace them. They have no concern if Atys looses all of it's valuable materials. They will simply steal all it has to offer and go back where they came from. They do not live here, therefore they do no care what happens.

The clearest way for Atys to be protected is by us homins rebuilding our civlizations and being prepared. To do this we must use the resources available to improve ourselves and our cities. Who knows when the next Fyros or ranger expedition will put our very existence into jeopardy again ? Sure the Karavan and Kami not long ago asked us to erect temples in their honor, but the materials needed for this did not require the materials we have needed to survive. Instead they were materials from the old lands, are their powers somehow tied into the old lands ?

Other than this period in our history, when has the karavan actually asked for materials conflicting with those we use to rebuild our lands ? Where is this order to strip the lands of Atys for the benefit of the Karavan ? It's in the Kami interpretations apparently...

So I do not kill for an idea. I kill to keep Atys in her natural state. I kill to prevent my jungle home from turning into a wasteland due to over harvesting.

Your moral code is built around greed and dapper. My moral code is built around the preservation of the enviroment. I'd say you were the one who is misguided, not me.

You were not in the jungle, nor were those you killeed actively digging. You entered the Silt Sculptors camp and slayed the the homins while they relaxed and ate dinner. You didn't attack a hunting party, you attacked a tribe that had settled in the sands to make a new life for themselves. Moral code, your pathetically preying on the weak... a fine Kami representative !

My moral code is based around freedom and self determination, not the diktats of frauds.

Anyone seeing your intrusions into Tryker politics has got to be rolling on the ground after reading this statement.

Everyone has their price, it might not be dapper directly, but dapper can get it.

You don't get it... and your dapper won't help you get it.

[vguerin]

[OOC]
It's getting difficult to respond to everyone! lol I'd also like to say that everyone is taking this in the spirit it was meant. This stuff is what I love about ryzom and what I beleive makes the game interesting.[/OOC]

[ooc]I feel ya, not easy to keep things tidy, I had 8 windows open to make last post... [/ooc]

[grimjim]

We are the masters of Atys, not the Kami, not the Karavan.

That's the spirit! Maybe there's hope for you yet!

We are made in the image of Jena's spirit, a glimmer of Her love.

Oops, wait... the mektoub has left the racetrack, spoke too soon...

She has given us the power to create, foster, and love life. She has given us free will and the power to affect our own destiny.

And its crashed... in a hideous tangle of 'toub limbs, Tryker parts and illogic.

[grimjim]

A dapperless homin can have honor, compassion and beliefs... The friends and love that dapper can buy will only be around as long as your good fortune. You worship your dappers, when the days of reckoning come you will see what they can buy you !

A safe home away from the wasteful fighting while the kitin chew you up and spit you out while your masters fight each other. A worthy investment.

All this dapper you seem to have yet it was not enough for your guild to hold an Outpost... your hypocricy has no bounds.

We sold it for more dappers remember? That would be consistent. There's other matters also.

When the resettlement and development of the outposts was first proposed we were excited and interested. As businessmen the redevelopment and resettlement of Atys was important to us. As hominists - many but not all of us - we wanted to see the homin peoples working together to rebuild the land and make ourselves strong, strong enough to fend off the Kitin. In early talks with officials it seemed like the outposts would aid that goal, they would be mini-towns, officiated by the guilds, building up our civilisations.

Time dragged and the outpost commission's talks seemed to get nowhere. Then the false gods stepped up their war and when we emerged from the other side of it the outpost charters were offered up. Gone was diplomacy or the doling out based on merit. While we were distracted the marauders had occupied these sites and the false gods had pressure on the governments to militarise the outposts. We did our part and reclaimed one but it became apparent that this was no longer about rebuilding, it was about the war between the false gods, fought by proxy and paid for in homin blood.

Perhaps due to some lingering patriotism on behalf of our Fyros members we stood fast and held on, protecting against invaders while the imperial army kicked its heels and did nothing. Letter after letter was sent to the comission - permission to build a stables, a storehouse, guard towers, an outer wall, a teleport node, housing for more refugees, anything... all denied. Resources were only to be given for the construction of drills. All the noble goals of the outposts were lost.

To say we were disappointed was an understatement and the constant attacks drew us away from out paying work and made us lose faith in our national government as well. The final straw was the signing of the treaty that removed outposts from the civilisation's concerns, effectively handing over the sites of future settlements to the followers of the false gods and their fanatics. Ignoring the threat of Matisian imperialism. In effect, the three other nations surrendered that day.

So we sold up and abandoned it.

Now we have a camp in the old lands. Reclaiming what was lost in the swarming. Negotiating with local tribes, proving our worth, building our town, moving our families up out of the prime root refugee camps to see the sun again. All fuelled by the money we made selling that disappointing, worthless outpost.

As ever, your interpretation is flawed by your... infection with these religious beliefs.

Anyone seeing your intrusions into Tryker politics has got to be rolling on the ground after reading this statement.

The Tryker are, perhaps, the most advanced race on Atys. They even forgave your lot their unforgivable trespasses. Be happy you didn't try to enslave the Fyros, the blood debt would still be being paid. Pero concerns me because he is a fanatic and like all fanatics he is attempting to manipulate the law of the land he is in to suit his religious purposes. It seems however, despite their slips (electing a 'Lady'? Since when did Tryker use Matis titles?) the Tryker as a whole ARE too pragamatic to fall for his sound and fury. The Tryker are the closest there is to truly free on Atys, apart from us outlaws, I'd like to see things stay that way and The Samsara have always followed The Old Alliance.

You don't get it... and your dapper won't help you get it.

What you have, I don't want to get.

[grimjim]

Please...your "moral code" is based around killing homins to feed your own excesses.
You say dapper does not judge, and it is well for you that it does not.
What sentient creature could stand to be in the presence of such a thoughtless hedonist?

What sentient creature could stand to be in the presence of such frothing, insane fanatics, of either side?

I can pick and choose the contracts I take. Dapper will not call me a heretic for refusing to do something.

You people are going to fight each other anyway, I can provide balance, profit from it and help people with the proceeds. So I will.

[dakhound]

My enemies, your petty hereitcal words have no effect on me, my devotion to the kami is true and just. In time when our planet shows the true effects of the exploitation being carried out by the jenite heratics and their tribes will you come to me you will beg to be shown the ways of ma-duk, you will beg for forgivenes on your knees and maybe you will recieve it.

The dream of a paradise the kami gave to me lives on in my heart, it is worth me fighting for and nothing will stand in my way whether it be a weak mercanary and his motly crew or the full might of jenas matisan fanatics.

I fear there is much more killing to come, seek out the kami messengers, listen to the truth, join our quest for paradise and balance or feel the sharp edge of my axe against your neck. That is the choice you will have to make.

[riveit]

In time when our planet shows the true effects of the exploitation being carried out by the jenite heratics and their tribes ...

In my five years of harvesting wood, resin, sap and oil I have noticed no decline in the abundance of Atys. If anything, our lands seem more abundant and easier to harvest than some years ago. The lakeland and forest continents tended by the Karavan and their followers have very healthy lands covered in rich vegetation. In contrast, the desert lands have been blasted and are still burning in areas because of the damage caused by some of its foolish Kamist inhabitants. The jungles are far worse! The very center of Ma-duk's cult is dissolving and festering in poisonous Goo -- which is found no where else. I pray that someday you will see through the lies and tricks of Ma-duk and the Kamis before it is too late. Ma-duk is not saving Atys but rather destroying it.

[grimjim]

In my five years of harvesting wood, resin, sap and oil I have noticed no decline in the abundance of Atys. If anything, our lands seem more abundant and easier to harvest than some years ago. The lakeland and forest continents tended by the Karavan and their followers have very healthy lands covered in rich vegetation. In contrast, the desert lands have been blasted and are still burning in areas because of the damage caused by some of its foolish Kamist inhabitants. The jungles are far worse! The very center of Ma-duk's cult is dissolving and festering in poisonous Goo -- which is found no where else. I pray that someday you will see through the lies and tricks of Ma-duk and the Kamis before it is too late. Ma-duk is not saving Atys but rather destroying it.

You'll note that the fires of coriolis pre-date the Fyros conversion to Kami worship from the previous worship of The Great Spirit or Atys herself.

You will also note that the Zorai fight the goo, with Fyros help, including fire, and that every goo-abusing and utilising tribe is Karavan sponsored.

[riveit]

You will also note that the Zorai fight the goo, with Fyros help, including fire, and that every goo-abusing and utilising tribe is Karavan sponsored.

What a fine job they are doing eliminating the Goo! I think it is only getting worse. As we learn at our Temples, the Karavan also wish to get rid of the Goo. They are studying it to discover its weak points.