Good day homin... My name is Loryen. Yes. Thank you, very nice to meet you as well. I would like to start a thread in which I can share ideas about the science behind Atys...Oh, yes. I would definitely like to get your feedback... Please if you, or anyone you know has better variations on my ideas or alternate ideas and would like to share them with us, please do so.
It is my belief that, although we as a species may not have evolved here... Atys is now our home.
I also believe that we as a single homin race must begin to set aside our superstitions which keep us divided... With all of the rumours of impending kitin invasions and invasion from who knows where... It makes sense to me to try to learn as much about our home as possible, we may learn something that will help us defend it better.
So, with that said, I would like to thank you for listening to me... And to once again invite you into this discussion that I hope will end up interesting.
[OOC Before someone decides to make a point of telling me... yes, I do know this is a game...I enjoy the mental exercise. So, if you think this thread is silly, please do not wreck it for me... Oh, and much of what might be discussed here is OOC, homin have not yet access to Darwin's theory of evolution, Einstein's Relativity Theories, nor do they have access to even the basics of Astronomy...perhaps, with we as the gamer community thinking about it, they (the developers) will allow us the move some of these ideas over to in-game knowledge or revelations. Thanks again]
Signed: Loryen Roqvini
The Science of Atys
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The Problem of the Stationary Sun...
One of the most remarkable things that newcomers to Atys notice is the amazing sky, three moons and the sun. I would like to propose a solution for a hypothetical star system inwhich, from the perspective of one on the surface of Atys, the sun would remain stationary, yet allow for day/night alternation as well as seasons.
Begin with a binary system... a star and black hole revolving around a center of gravity. Add an ancient planetary collision which filled half of the solar system with dust and debris.
Finally add Atys... the living planet, orbiting around it all. The mass of the planet growing toward the sun (as plants do) has thrown off the normal spin so that now, one planetary day, or one complete rotation of the planet, is equal to one year or one complete revolution around the sun. The effect of this would be a planet with one face that always points toward the sun... hence the sun does not appear to move in the sky. Night time is the passing of the black hole between Atys and the sun. And the seasons are caused by Atys passing through the area of the solar system in which the remains of the planetary collision are... Atys would receive less solar energy due to it the suns energy being absorbed by the dust before reaching Atys... causing the average temperatures to drop.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT: This theory also explains why there is no extreme weather or natural disasters on Atys.
MAJOR PROBLEM: The other planets/ moons (If anyone cares, we of the Dragonblades named them for our own use IC. The big one with the rings is Shyl, the medium sized one is Drak, and the small bright one is Lor.)
MAJOR PROBLEM: Hypothetically, the black hole passing between Atys and the sun, if massive enough to block/absorb/bend all light, then it would also bend space around it to create a gravitational lens...we should see a ring of light larger than the diameter of the sun while the black hole is passing in front (at night).
Signed: Loryen Roqvini
One of the most remarkable things that newcomers to Atys notice is the amazing sky, three moons and the sun. I would like to propose a solution for a hypothetical star system inwhich, from the perspective of one on the surface of Atys, the sun would remain stationary, yet allow for day/night alternation as well as seasons.
Begin with a binary system... a star and black hole revolving around a center of gravity. Add an ancient planetary collision which filled half of the solar system with dust and debris.
Finally add Atys... the living planet, orbiting around it all. The mass of the planet growing toward the sun (as plants do) has thrown off the normal spin so that now, one planetary day, or one complete rotation of the planet, is equal to one year or one complete revolution around the sun. The effect of this would be a planet with one face that always points toward the sun... hence the sun does not appear to move in the sky. Night time is the passing of the black hole between Atys and the sun. And the seasons are caused by Atys passing through the area of the solar system in which the remains of the planetary collision are... Atys would receive less solar energy due to it the suns energy being absorbed by the dust before reaching Atys... causing the average temperatures to drop.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT: This theory also explains why there is no extreme weather or natural disasters on Atys.
MAJOR PROBLEM: The other planets/ moons (If anyone cares, we of the Dragonblades named them for our own use IC. The big one with the rings is Shyl, the medium sized one is Drak, and the small bright one is Lor.)
MAJOR PROBLEM: Hypothetically, the black hole passing between Atys and the sun, if massive enough to block/absorb/bend all light, then it would also bend space around it to create a gravitational lens...we should see a ring of light larger than the diameter of the sun while the black hole is passing in front (at night).
Signed: Loryen Roqvini
Re: The Science of Atys
Evolutionary benefits of the pick shaped head of the Timari.
The timari, as many of you know, are herbivorous beasts that live in the jungles and deserts of Atys. They have huge dorsal spines (which we shall discuss in a later post) and eyes set 180 degrees apart on a pick shaped head (consider the handle the neck of the timari and put an eye both of the remaining ends of the pick... use your imagination.)
We first concluded that the timaris head was shaped as it was to allow it to see almost 360 degrees around itself, as many docil herbivours can (rabbits, cows, etc). After more discussion we noted that the Hammerhead shark (of Earth) has the distinctive shape due to electrostatic organs that help it detect prey underwater, however, it only works underwater. We then moved on to other ideas... none of which contributed to the knowledge we had, so we temporarily concluded that it much somehow increase its ability to see predators (but we were confused because its vision would only be negligibly different even if the eyes where not on fleshy stalks).
Finally, in a epiphany, while discussing the environment in which the Timari live, I notice that there was a similarity between the burning forest (where they mainly live in the desert) and the jungles. The jungles usually have standing water, that the timari would have to reach through to get to the roots and tubors that make up their primary diet. The burning forest definitely does not have standing water, but the foot or two of ash that covers the ground is so fine, that it has many characteristics of fluids (as anyone who has walked or run through it can attest). Perhaps the odd grey spheres found in the stalks along the lower edge of the skull (upon dissection, hey...I was curious...) are electromagnetic sensory organs allowing it to better detect the slight magnetic fields generated by the plants it eats.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Thanks Exola for the input about the sharks.
Signed: Loryen Roqvini
The timari, as many of you know, are herbivorous beasts that live in the jungles and deserts of Atys. They have huge dorsal spines (which we shall discuss in a later post) and eyes set 180 degrees apart on a pick shaped head (consider the handle the neck of the timari and put an eye both of the remaining ends of the pick... use your imagination.)
We first concluded that the timaris head was shaped as it was to allow it to see almost 360 degrees around itself, as many docil herbivours can (rabbits, cows, etc). After more discussion we noted that the Hammerhead shark (of Earth) has the distinctive shape due to electrostatic organs that help it detect prey underwater, however, it only works underwater. We then moved on to other ideas... none of which contributed to the knowledge we had, so we temporarily concluded that it much somehow increase its ability to see predators (but we were confused because its vision would only be negligibly different even if the eyes where not on fleshy stalks).
Finally, in a epiphany, while discussing the environment in which the Timari live, I notice that there was a similarity between the burning forest (where they mainly live in the desert) and the jungles. The jungles usually have standing water, that the timari would have to reach through to get to the roots and tubors that make up their primary diet. The burning forest definitely does not have standing water, but the foot or two of ash that covers the ground is so fine, that it has many characteristics of fluids (as anyone who has walked or run through it can attest). Perhaps the odd grey spheres found in the stalks along the lower edge of the skull (upon dissection, hey...I was curious...) are electromagnetic sensory organs allowing it to better detect the slight magnetic fields generated by the plants it eats.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Thanks Exola for the input about the sharks.
Signed: Loryen Roqvini
Re: The Science of Atys
My first thought was: why would a herbivore need more organs to detect plants? The plants don't run away. However, many plants do fight back. Can you imagine the dismay of a timari that accidentally grazes on a prodigeous cratcha or slaveni? Perhaps herbivores need more sensory organs to detect hostile well armed herbs?kitnyx wrote:... are electromagnetic sensory organs allowing it to better detect the slight magnetic fields generated by the plants it eats.
High Officer of Aeden Artisans
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*drinks some firewine and listens attentively to the lecturer*
(OOC: I heard jessica say that the planet is a terraforming project gone wrong, now I don't know how wrong or what happend but I gues the great dragon is a spaceship that was carrying the device when it sort of went off. We would be decendents of the people who where on it? changed by the terraforming device or something.)
(OOC: I heard jessica say that the planet is a terraforming project gone wrong, now I don't know how wrong or what happend but I gues the great dragon is a spaceship that was carrying the device when it sort of went off. We would be decendents of the people who where on it? changed by the terraforming device or something.)
Aina - homin
Evolution
Oh lookie a thingy, that would go very well with this thingy I have here and the other thingy I found at the uhm thingy near uhm well, that's not important right now. This might make a excellent thingy to hit thingies with
Evolution
Oh lookie a thingy, that would go very well with this thingy I have here and the other thingy I found at the uhm thingy near uhm well, that's not important right now. This might make a excellent thingy to hit thingies with
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has everyone gone nuts?or just karavan 
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geezas wrote:(OOC: I heard jessica say that the planet is a terraforming project gone wrong...
ooc: that interview with Ms. Mulligan gave away more information about our origins as homins that 2 years of IG lore....
it should get a warn for spoil ! 
Anissa - Jena's Lost Tribe -
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geezas wrote:*drinks some firewine and listens attentively to the lecturer*
(OOC: I heard jessica say that the planet is a terraforming project gone wrong, now I don't know how wrong or what happend but I gues the great dragon is a spaceship that was carrying the device when it sort of went off. We would be decendents of the people who where on it? changed by the terraforming device or something.)
*lights up his rainbow pipe and continues feeling paranoid about timari*
*quickly forces thoughts of a more scientific nature*
I've been thinking about the black hole situation - I *believe* you can discount the hypothesis. I believe (but I could be very wrong here), that a black hole does not bend or distort any light or other particles around it. If I understand correctly, a black hole has no differentiation between it's 'sides', for want of a better word. The Event Horizon encompasses everything that can be classed as the 'perimeter' of the black hole - and the Event Horizon only attracts light, it never releases it - hence the literal meaning of 'black' in the title (zero light emitted). The Event Horizon pulls all light from any angle into the black hole's central mass, which is why no stars or space matter are visible through the hole itself.
So, I *believe* your assumption was initially correct - a black hole passing in front of a star would indeed cause a solar eclipse, although varying in size depending on the size of the Event Horizon, and the relative distance of the black hole from both the star and the viewer.
Disclaimer: I have never studied physics (and especially astrophysics) academically, however it's a subject that I've been interested in and researching (spare time) for quite a while. Stephen Hawking has helped a lot, but he isn't done helping me yet
Black Holes are quite possibly the most mysterious and most dangerous entity in the known universe (which admittedly isn't much), and the very theory behind them scares the bejeezus out of me EDIT: Indeed it did Ani, that was the first time I'd heard about this Terraforming too - I just hope they haven't copied it recently from the Lore for RF Online
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OOC: The gravitational field of a black hole does bend and distort light, particle trajectories and space itself.dazman76 wrote:I believe (but I could be very wrong here), that a black hole does not bend or distort any light or other particles around it.
High Officer of Aeden Artisans
Re: The Science of Atys
you may find this thread of interest.. how quickly they vanish
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=1&pp=10
and
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=3&pp=10
on the subject of black holes.. while light etc passing too close doesnt escape, light slightly further away is affected but still exists in our universe. that is why you would get the halo effect.
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=1&pp=10
and
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=3&pp=10
on the subject of black holes.. while light etc passing too close doesnt escape, light slightly further away is affected but still exists in our universe. that is why you would get the halo effect.