Two points I'd like to make.
1) I don't dig in GoC (yet) so the set-up (the sources proximity to each-other, regen time for KT, etc.) may be different there than for FF. If it is, then this does not apply to Lillaryn's problem. When I brought up the problem of zero KT months ago, I was essentially blown off by other players and Neverax. Other players told me that the months I had spent leveling Desert Harvest was unimportant (yes, I gave a thought to the needs of higher level diggers, I started in Pyr, moved to OO, and only dug Thesos/Dyron when KT was at least 75% full until I was level 151+). Neverax "answerd" me by telling us that the KT regenerated at 480-something per hour. I tested this, and found that the KT bar still dropped when I limitted my digging to 300 mats per hour, and was the only one in region. I wound up giving up in disgust and leveling another land (more months wasted, that could have been spent raising craft).
2) I wonder how "fair" high-level hunters would find it if level 201+ mobs were only available for 10 minutes to an hour per day, if at all?
That is exactly what happens to a harvester who is trying to level, or to a crafter with an order, when KT goes to zero in their chosen region(s). Those who dig well below a regions quality while KT is low are essentially kill-stealing. They CAN get xp/mats for crafting at level by digging in other areas, the higher levels cannot.
Yes, I do think it is fair that higher levels have safer spots to dig (such as GoC and Dyron/Thesos), they have, by dint of hard work, earned it. Not only that, but they have fewer options when it comes to mats equal or higher than level when it comes to digging or crafting.
I would love to see them increase the regeneration to at least what they said it was, if not higher, to balance the opportunities granted harvestors/crafters with those supplied to fighters/mages.
I would agree that some sort of experience point limit should be applied to those who dig in an area with optimum quality 50 points or more higher than they can dig in that region. Something to enforce good manners.
Optimally, I would LOVE to see KT applied on an individual basis. Something reasonable, like 700 mats per hour. You can dig way more than that, by yourself, even more with a CPer, at higher levels. This would lend the Kami an air of wisdom, as they would only punish those they see as offenders, rather than the poor schmuck who couldn't log on till after the KT was already depleted.
With it regenerating at 700 per hour, you could pull 700 every hour, all day, every day. Pull 701, and the Kami starts warning you, keep that up for a minute or two, and then get the 6k kiss.
Yes, 700 mats per hour would limit some of us (myself included) but, it would also greatly increase our options. I wouldn't be able to pull as many mats per hour, but I WOULD always be able to get the mats I needed for crafting a specific item.
Providing, of course, I didn't get eaten .
The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
I'm curious how many people went to the "appropriate" level areas to harvest when they were a forager? and how many leveled up to higher levels of foraging under the current exp system (where you can't get 3k exp a pull) or the pre-patch 1 (where you could get 3k exp a pull).
I find foraging to be dull, tedious, and repetitive. The high levels are just as guilty as the low of not trying to find some place "challenging" to pull their mats.
In short I'm against all of these changes because it doesn't make foraging more fun, more interesting, etc. Lets try to improve the game and make it more interesting and easier for new people to play (because this game needs new people) and not try to make things harder on newbies than it was for the people complaining who had it even easier.
I find foraging to be dull, tedious, and repetitive. The high levels are just as guilty as the low of not trying to find some place "challenging" to pull their mats.
In short I'm against all of these changes because it doesn't make foraging more fun, more interesting, etc. Lets try to improve the game and make it more interesting and easier for new people to play (because this game needs new people) and not try to make things harder on newbies than it was for the people complaining who had it even easier.
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Svayvti
Former Pilgrim of Atys
Follower of the Kami
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Former Pilgrim of Atys
Follower of the Kami
Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
pfft lillaryn still dun like me digging in goc, when she says the q90 digger she means q100 now;P ok heres the thing, first of all my lvl dont drop the kt, im too low to do that, so she blame me.
well the reason im not digging in other regions is cuz of friends etc; like i have someone helping me too get dig up fast, and he digs q250.
Is it then such a big crime, DONT blame me, im not ruining the kt when there are 50 q200+ diggers! im the least destroyer of kt, drop it lillaryn
well the reason im not digging in other regions is cuz of friends etc; like i have someone helping me too get dig up fast, and he digs q250.
Is it then such a big crime, DONT blame me, im not ruining the kt when there are 50 q200+ diggers! im the least destroyer of kt, drop it lillaryn
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Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
in lake, digged in my appropriate lvl areas and i found it fun and not boring to travel and find mat spots.svayvti wrote:I'm curious how many people went to the "appropriate" level areas to harvest when they were a forager? and how many leveled up to higher levels of foraging under the current exp system (where you can't get 3k exp a pull) or the pre-patch 1 (where you could get 3k exp a pull).
in other lands.. have not and will not dig in places like dyron/near tp in goc...
i can say "sry, to far" in region and dont need to bother with low KT
foraging is only boring when you stay in one place too long... travel
you would not belive how many safe spots there really are
Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
hehe just adding, its all the harmfull diggin whit cps that taking the kt fast down
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Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
d29565 wrote: I do not agree with restricting the areas where people can dig. I am level 150 digging in GoC (250 zone). I starting digging there around level 115 or so. If I find that the KT is low when I go to dig around the kami teleport, I dont complain to others, I simply go to the Sap Slaves area and dig there because they have more or less the same mats. If you dont like having to watch your screen for an occasional Jug, then you really shouldn't be digging. Safe digging is not something that happens a lot. I will continue to dig in GoC whether people complain and fuss at me or not. Actually, I've had it happen and I just told that person off. If my guild members who are 250 Forest do not have a problem with me digging there, then I really could care less where someone else wants me to dig.
I agree with Keiko. I have been digging GoC ever since I hit level 150. (At 248 and 3/4 now.) There has NEVER been any problems or complaints there until now. What is the problem? If the KT is down dig something else, get another craft skill, Craft a bit, dig PR, go fight, heal for a group, stagger the time of day you get on to dig (4am Central time US works for me). The KT returns so relax, join in the fun.
Mimir
Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
Its fine the way it is. I myself have dug in areas corrosponding for my levels except maybe when hunting for supremes where I'll actually ocassionally get some lower lvl supremes for various needs.
The only problem is when a lower level digger tells me to go elsewhere its his spot and my nodes i throw annoy him
God's honest truth I go to dig seeds/ambers real quick for some sets for people and someone pulling 200 in void tells me that he was there first.....
We'll little man I was there before you for months and months I dug thousands of mats from that spot long before you did. When I asked why he was digging in a 250 zone (since I was so obviously disturbing him) he had told me he lowered the KT in the 200 zones. Blatant lies as there are two 200 zones in Zorai and I doubt he could have lowered the KT anyways. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!
Besides dimwitted liars that cant even weave a believeable lie cause they're to dumb a harvester to do so everyone should be allowed to dig where they want.
The only problem is when a lower level digger tells me to go elsewhere its his spot and my nodes i throw annoy him
God's honest truth I go to dig seeds/ambers real quick for some sets for people and someone pulling 200 in void tells me that he was there first.....
We'll little man I was there before you for months and months I dug thousands of mats from that spot long before you did. When I asked why he was digging in a 250 zone (since I was so obviously disturbing him) he had told me he lowered the KT in the 200 zones. Blatant lies as there are two 200 zones in Zorai and I doubt he could have lowered the KT anyways. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!
Besides dimwitted liars that cant even weave a believeable lie cause they're to dumb a harvester to do so everyone should be allowed to dig where they want.
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Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
The toys have left the pramroninpvp wrote:Blatant lies as there are two 200 zones in Zorai and I doubt he could have lowered the KT anyways. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!
Lathaniel
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Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
1. If a low level digger wants to forage in a 250 zone; more power to them. If they got the skills to navigate through jugs and cuttlers, they earn the right to dig. There should be no restrictions or penalties applied to them.
2. There are plenty of areas to dig for mats with untapped KT. The GoC area on my map is covered in landmarks. I also dig in Upper Bog as well as Tower Bridge. If I'm only crafting to get to close to lvl 150, why would I travel all the way up to GoC to dig. Just hit the 150 zone and get what you need.
3. I have an alt that CP's for me. If I can drain a node bone dry, I will. But I usually do this at one of the outposts. So what I'm saying is, stop using tp's all the time. Get out and travel the lands. You'll be surprised on what spots you'll find.
Heavanor
Master Forest Forager
2. There are plenty of areas to dig for mats with untapped KT. The GoC area on my map is covered in landmarks. I also dig in Upper Bog as well as Tower Bridge. If I'm only crafting to get to close to lvl 150, why would I travel all the way up to GoC to dig. Just hit the 150 zone and get what you need.
3. I have an alt that CP's for me. If I can drain a node bone dry, I will. But I usually do this at one of the outposts. So what I'm saying is, stop using tp's all the time. Get out and travel the lands. You'll be surprised on what spots you'll find.
Heavanor
Master Forest Forager
Re: The Kami Tolerance and what can we do? (Devs....note for you in here as well :P)
I think KT is fine the way it is now. Just look for a new spot to dig is the KT is low, the spots are out there.
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A little challenge is a good thing.
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