Nevrax....What if they gave a war and nobody came ?

[philu]

As I have said before, upcoming changes make no difference to somebody not involved in PVP. Nevrax is adding PVP content, but not forcing it upon anybody.

Let's face it the changes they made to magic recently were designed to make PvP longer. Does that mean I can decline the changes because I don't want to get involved in PvP? No. So how can you say they make no difference to players who don't want PvP?!

[mtsmith]

Let's face it the changes they made to magic recently were designed to make PvP longer. Does that mean I can decline the changes because I don't want to get involved in PvP? No. So how can you say they make no difference to players who don't want PvP?!

I've heard both bad and good from folks regarding the changes. By the way, you're mistaken. Changes were made to DECREASE the length of a PVP battle.

Heal Nerf + Increased Nuke Damage = Shorter Fight (any way you look at it, even with increased resists/protection)

The only type of fight that will take longer would be a Pike vs. Pike as they now do less damage.

The changes implemented also had another effect on PVM type activity. They made fighting mobs interesting again, whereas a lot of us were getting bored with the grind because it was the same boring, easy stuff.

[michielb]

Same stuff, repeated again. As I have said before, upcoming changes make no difference to somebody not involved in PVP. Nevrax is adding PVP content, but not forcing it upon anybody.
Change = Good

I missed this one when I first read it, I missed it when I read it for a second time but when I saw the quote in philu's post it kicked me in the pants...

Yes Nevrax is adding a lot of PvP "content" and maybe, just maybe, it will make no difference to someone not interested in PvP but that is part of the problem. They're adding something only a small part of the population wants but nothing, or very little, for the rest of us.....
We non pvpers not want things to stay the same, we want some new stuff, new stuff we can take advantage of without having to deal wth the unpleasantries of PvP kiddies

Chance = Good? only if you're interested in PvP.....

[micrix]

You, and the rest of the posters in this thread might want to read up on the plans Nevrax has for PvP as the current system will not last....http://ryzom.com/?page=news&id=926

Sure there might be planetwide FvF, but...

Second, we would add a "PvP tag"; it would be up to you to trigger the flag on or not

I am quite sure that Nevrax doesnt want to change the game into a gankers paradiese. They dont want to loose 50% customers but win 50%. It will be a game for everybody.

[petej]

The changes implemented also had another effect on PVM type activity. They made fighting mobs interesting again, whereas a lot of us were getting bored with the grind because it was the same boring, easy stuff.

Well realy thats down to you and the mobs you choose to fight , on that subject I realy feel Nevrax missed an oportunity , they shouldnt have bothered with the "Super-Herbies" (which have ruined mainy of the good sneaking places for harvest) but should have increased the exp on PR mobs (which already have health in abundance) and made them worth while to hunt -fewer kills but more exp/challenge , not sure a pro-hunter would agree with that tho

[michielb]

Sure there might be planetwide FvF, but...



I am quite sure that Nevrax doesnt want to change the game into a gankers paradiese. They dont want to loose 50% customers but win 50%. It will be a game for everybody.

You may be right but I want a piece of the cake! Cuz I'm sick of seeing all the yummy goodness (dev time) good to the PvPers....

[oauitam]

You, and the rest of the posters in this thread might want to read up on the plans Nevrax has for PvP as the current system will not last....http://ryzom.com/?page=news&id=926

Neutral players would not be affected by Faction oriented PvP, whether their PvP flag is on or off. These players should, however, keep in mind that if they enter a Faction-oriented PvP area or an event area, they would still be able to defend themselves if they are attacked, but wouldn't be able to initiate a fight.

Atys is a big place. If you don't want a life-or-death mission to be randomly assigned to you without your consent, just don't go to those areas!

The parody I wrote was a reflection of;
1) the current rules in the PR roots PvP areas, for example
2) the implied rules in the doc you linked to in "a Faction-oriented PvP area or an event area"
and how unfair and silly they both seem when you replace non-consensual PvP with non-consensual PvE.

[micrix]

You may be right but I want a piece of the cake! Cuz I'm sick of seeing all the yummy goodness (dev time) good to the PvPers....

You know i am not into PvP, LOL i even dont hunt timmies. But lets look once at it this way:

You want Q250 mats from Loria ? Go get it and risc your life.

You want Q250 mats from FF ? Go get it and risc your life.

You want Q250 sup zun ? Go get it and risc your life.

You want episode 2 ? Go get it and risc your life.

At least give it a try to see if it is worth it. What nobody wants is useless speech on chat. Well there will be always one or two black sheep... Just a test how strong the community is.

[oauitam]

Change = Good

Close, but the important part gets missed out when you try to be brief to get a simple slogan.

Change for the better = Good

[vutescu]

I am quite sure that Nevrax doesnt want to change the game into a gankers paradiese. They dont want to loose 50% customers but win 50%. It will be a game for everybody.

Some maths here: if they lose 50% customers but win 50% leet kids, from any side you look, there will be 50% more sales of the game. So Nevrax loses... let's say 1000 customers who only pay the monthly fee, but they wins 1000 customers that pays the monthly fee AND buy the game.
Sry, but that's a profit.

Also leet kids / gankers will drive in another leet kids. They will throw the game away after a month or two... but who cares? They have bought the game and they payed 3 months subscription. Basically are more money in than money out.

You, as a veteran player, are less valuable for Nevrax than a brand new one. Because you know the game, you know the bugs, you learned your rights, you know how the game should be. A brand new player who buys the box AND pay the fee, knows nothing about the game. Can cause less problems with demands, bug reporting, and so on. If he finds a bug he believes that's the normal state of things.
Bottom line: you (vet player) are paying your sub and bother the staff with suggestions and bug reports. He (newbie player) is paying the sub + buys the game. He only ask questions about the skill brick system / gameplay, and those have a standard answer "we are not allowed to give you advices about gameplay" (TM).