Changes needed in the CoC

[vinnyq]

thex, you have stress this long enough. I am not saying you do or don't have a valid complain about the support team, but I think you should try to resolve this with them and not keep trying to start a public crucification.

Most of us are extremely happy with the level of support, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have some validity to your complains, but if I was in your shoes, I would have drop the issue already and move on, or try to resolve it privately.

I do not think it is unreasonable for there to be a disagreement of what action were done by the staff because of a problem, but I wouldn't have dwell on it so much to the point of ranting and raving like you would have.

From what I can see, it seems that there's a disagreement between you and the support team on the correct action being done for a specific event, but instead of being an adult about it, you make it a personal battle, to the point that people starting to look at the whole situation with disgust.

i.e. you made it ugly and we can no longer take your words at face values.

Do you see this? If you don't, try.

[quasar11]

I'm 100% in agreement with this statement... it's impossible to give the community any significance or power at all without also giving us freedom of action. Well spoken, Lawrence.

On the other hand, our community may need more help from the Game masters in dealing with the more determined miscreants. Some people really don't care if the whole world hates them, and some, in fact, live to torment and anger other people. Those will by default fall to you to identify and weed out.

I have to agree with you here. Some player do revel in the anomosity of others. They believe themselves to be playing "evil" and so they cherish others speaking out against them. These people are thankfully very small in number and I certainly can't personally acuse anyone here of being this way. However, once you acknowledge the possibly of them, then the best solution i've seen are concrete rules against certain behavior and the threat of punishments. This alone is very often enough to prevent this type of behavior. The community then has a tool to use to contain misbehavior by reporting those engaging in it. Eventually, the person will get "caught" and banned or suspended. However, if there is even the slightest bit of grey concerning some types of conduct some people will continue to skirt the rules and relish the havoc they reek.

Every game i've played has had firm rules about KSing, macroing, exploiting terrain/bugs and item duping. It really surprises me that the CoC doesn't cover these. It doesn't mean that GM's need to jump into every dispute...but the threat of banishment if you're caught is a strong deterrent.

[larwood]

....a public crucification...

What the devil is a crucification? is it like a crucifixion on vacation?

lol... couldnt resist fyrx.

[danadita]

What the devil is a crucification? is it like a crucifixion on vacation? lol... couldnt resist fyrx.

Wah, Thom, dictionary.com wasn't too happy about the word but that don't mean they's on the up and up, yanno.

http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/crucification_of_jesus.html

EXAMPLE ONLY, FOLKS! NO RELIGIOUS MEANING IS IMPARTED OR IMPLIED WITH THE USE OF SAID LINK.

[thexdane]

thex, you have stress this long enough. I am not saying you do or don't have a valid complain about the support team, but I think you should try to resolve this with them and not keep trying to start a public crucification.

Most of us are extremely happy with the level of support, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have some validity to your complains, but if I was in your shoes, I would have drop the issue already and move on, or try to resolve it privately.

I do not think it is unreasonable for there to be a disagreement of what action were done by the staff because of a problem, but I wouldn't have dwell on it so much to the point of ranting and raving like you would have.

From what I can see, it seems that there's a disagreement between you and the support team on the correct action being done for a specific event, but instead of being an adult about it, you make it a personal battle, to the point that people starting to look at the whole situation with disgust.

i.e. you made it ugly and we can no longer take your words at face values.

Do you see this? If you don't, try.

i was taught as a young person to stand up for myself and my rights and especially if i'm spending my money to use something like i am now.

if someone wants to look at how i'm acting as bad, then let them. i don't care let them. i'm not here to be popular, i'm not here to be liked, i could care less either way if someone likes me or not.

thing is i'm paying my hard earned money for service, that i'm not recieving. it's all well and nice that they respond fast. however if they can't answer the question and blame your system instead of the game itself, that's not acceptable when it worked fine up to a point and now after a patch it doesn't or say "yeah we're looking into it" and do absolutely nothing about it and "wait for stuff" when they know they will do nothing is complete and utter crap and frankly i don't stand for that type of behaiour.

i see what you're saying and that i should just shut up and accept that i'm getting shafted. i'm sorry i feel like standing up for my rights, especially when i'm paying to play the game

[vinnyq]

i see what you're saying and that i should just shut up and accept that i'm getting shafted. i'm sorry i feel like standing up for my rights, especially when i'm paying to play the game

This is not quite what I am saying.

What I am saying is, there's a better way to go about dealing with your problem. You went about it the wrong way, in my opinion.

It is not about you being like or dislike, it is about how effective you actually affect changes, if you think a change is needed, and about getting results.

But seriously, from the previous thread where a bunch of people tried to help you with the technical problem, it just seems to me you weren't quite playing ball.

So all I am saying is, the way you went about voicing your concern about the Nevrax support not quite doing their job, it seems more like you are so engross in the idea that you are a victim and just want to hurt the support team back, as oppose to truly want things to be changed/improved/fixed. I can't speak for everybody, but I have long since pushed your complains aside as "probably buncha hot air".

SO ..... stay cool, thex.

[linze]

Thexdane if the service is as bad as you say it is then why not lodge a complaint directly with Nevrax?

[rrwfreak]

i was taught as a young person to stand up for myself and my rights and especially if i'm spending my money to use something like i am now.

if someone wants to look at how i'm acting as bad, then let them. i don't care let them. i'm not here to be popular, i'm not here to be liked, i could care less either way if someone likes me or not.

thing is i'm paying my hard earned money for service, that i'm not recieving. it's all well and nice that they respond fast. however if they can't answer the question and blame your system instead of the game itself, that's not acceptable when it worked fine up to a point and now after a patch it doesn't or say "yeah we're looking into it" and do absolutely nothing about it and "wait for stuff" when they know they will do nothing is complete and utter crap and frankly i don't stand for that type of behaiour.

i see what you're saying and that i should just shut up and accept that i'm getting shafted. i'm sorry i feel like standing up for my rights, especially when i'm paying to play the game

Again, off topic and ranting you are Thex. I've had enough of this. No one is asking you to shut up. Most of us here have offered to help you resolve your issue with the problem you are having with the game even when you post about it in threads where it doesn't belong like in this one and in this one http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=1&pp=10 (and on this one several of us asked to post your system specs so we could help you out or to start a thread in the tech support section), but you refuse to take that help.

I believe even the Nevrax staff has tried to help you. Instead, you continue to maliciously attack Nevrax and anyone who doesn't agree with you. That is not standing up for one's rights, but instead it is just acting very immature and lashing out in anger. The only reason you think you are being shafted is because you are so bitter and angry over an issue that you fail to see the help the community is offering you. You don't won't help anymore. You won't to personally attack Nevrax and any individual that doesn't agree with you.

Yes, as a paying customer, I agree with you that you have a right to speak out, but that does not give you the right to do, say and act how you want on the forums by hijacking other people's threads. Start your own thread......you have the right too you know, but I doubt you will do this because you lurk in the shadows for any opportunity to troll or hijack a thread that someone starts that has anything to do with thanking Nevrax, the CoC or similar subject.

Again, I plead with you, if you are having such trouble with your system, let us try and help you out. Not one of us, or at least most of us, wishes you any ill will or even are happy you can't play the game to your full enjoyment. Most of us have had an experience at some point or another where a game didn't work well with our system. Yes, yes, I understand that it is more than likely a bug in the game, but there should be a way to configure your system to prevent crashes since not everyone has that bug you experience. Developers have to design and code a game to work on a myriad of systems and operating systems. It is amazing that there aren't more conflicts.

I too was taught to stand up for my rights and beliefs, but I was also taught to also respect other people's rights and beliefs. The only thing is, when one starts to stand up for what he beliefs at the expense of hurting another individual or groups of individuals; it is then that that person is no longer in the right but they are in the wrong. I'll leave you to ponder this: there is an old latin saying that goes like this "accipere quam facere praestat injuriam" which means; "it is better to suffer an injustice than to do an injustice."

[grimjim]

"i was taught as a young person to stand up for myself and my rights and especially if i'm spending my money to use something like i am now."

There are also responsibilities.

You have a monetary contract with Nevrax, you have a social contract with the community. One you're breaking.

[vutescu]

1. For the thread: I think the best solution to not have kill steal is to establish killing rights in the same way are the looting rights. If you are not in the same team with the one who started combat, you cannot fight with the mob. Is that simple. No need of CoC modified. Of course, that can lead to exploits, as players pulling mobs on other players, who would be unable to defend. But even this can be avoided as long as mob behaviour can be set to not attack other team but attacking team.

2. Out of thread:

"it is better to suffer an injustice than to do an injustice."

I think was someone in history who said "better kill 1000 innocents than letting a single guilty person to escape". Please, stop using such quotes.

3. Responding:

the amount of effort put in to get to those higher lvls obviously means you are going to have advantages!!!! other wise whats the point of lvling.

You are missin my point here. What I'm trying to say is even a low level player have the right to kill a boss. If some team is killing a boss, and one or more high level retards... ooops players comes and ruins the fight for everyone that's for me a harassment. The low levels are puttin much more efforts in preparations, and the frustration would be bigger. So basically, if you see a team or a player fighting a mob/boss do not interfere. Is simple enough for anyone to understand. Well... almost anyone. Besides that, your attitude "i'm leveling for having advantages versus others" makes me to think at "I uber u n00b, STFU" attitude.