Gamemaster?!?

[sasaj]

Title and contest of this thread does'nt match anymore, so i'll make difference here even worse.

Is killing shalahs from clif exploit? yes.
Do ppl need to report it when they see someone exploiting? yes. It's not jealousy like someone said above. Leveling elemental magic is so easy if you compare it with melee. There are at least 20 level 250 mages and only one 250 melee on server. But thats another story.
Is the problem fixed? yes and no. Did'nt check the place myself, but looks that only 2 shalahs are there. However devs did'nt move boss mob, but only limited number of shalahs around. I guess ppl can kill that boss shalah with less trouble now. Not a perfect solution, but still beter.

Now about other problem that ppl like to report about it. Camping. I'm not talking about sirgio, aen or other tribe bosses. I'm talking about Grove in Matis. Story goes like this:
I was helping guildmate to get his level 250 in melee. Last 10 levels are hard, you heal out of team for more XP for him and to speed thing up. Sometimes you make long sessions on the same spot.. It's only way to do it. You kill great jugs (lvl255) cos they give more XP then any other mobs. Some other guilds come along, see as there and leave, respecting our hunting spot. We do the same if someone is there before us.
However, one time 3 members of one guild (no names, i'm not that kind of person) show up next to us and one minut later an Guide appear. Strange to see an guide in high grove. He did'nt say anything and after few minutes left. Members of that guild 2. One hour later those 3 come back to us and started to nuke our mobs. After some shaming on region chat they left with standard excuses like a "Sry, my brother was playing and not me".
Week later we saw slow pop-up of mobs. Not a standard after-server-reboot slow pop up, but really-really slow. I spoke with an SGM (no names again, but have screenshot of this conversation), and he said that "timers are altered becose of camping", but many ppl complain about it, so he will forward our tickets to devs. Next day problem was solved. But...
After last patch 2 days ago, XP of jugs is changed. In team of 7-8 ppl (all between 100 and 150) Ocyx, easy to kill, lvl 204/206, gives more XP (3k) then Jug, lvl 22? (2.5k). We even tested on Great jug (lvl 255) and got 2.5k XP!!! This may be bug made by "spring cleaning", but also devs way to do something about "camping". If the second one, here is my opinion:
Ppl who call standing on same spot and killing mobs for XP "camping", are jealous, not the ppl who report exploiters. I call it hunting, not "camping".
To the devs (who will not read it): Stoping ppl leveling (by changing mobs XP) is not the solution for overpopulated Grove (more ppl in grove then in all 4 main cities together). Please before doing something like this again think about activating teleports in another level 250 areas, so ppl above level 200 can hunt everywhere, not only in one region.

[grimjim]

Nuking helpless mobz that can not reach you...u call it an exploit? u call it cheat? well u call it what u want...but u dont have to complain coz Blacky does somthing u think is a crap way of lvling up.....u should also think about the shalah's.....why are they there?....why cant they reach us?.....can we kill it?...without a chance of having some DP ? "Great!" some people will say...."an exploit!" others will say...but this is not the point...u should not be ticketing: Blacky cheats". I personnally think this is the level-designers fault...
I've seen some people using the water to escape from mobz...then go back to kill it.....solution? no more XP ! so why dont they do same for all "nuking from above" spots? thats somthing u could ticket....

No, when you enter and leave the water mid combat you no longer get XP. In fact you get a message telling you that this isn't a kosher way to do it and you also can't loot.

Kill them for the joy of it all you want. Should it be worth XP? No.

Additionally to it being an exploit, it vastly increases the already existing disparity between mages and melees.

[ozric]

This is all old hat. It has already been said, by dev/CSR*, that using terrain where the mob can't reach you is an exploit.

* On the NA forum I believe.

This post sums it up. End of story.

[vutescu]

All started from the terms of cheat or not cheat. As long as a mob covers 50m in the same time, no matter is a hill or other mobs between you and it I guess I should take some advantage form devs mistakes, so I'll use any terrain cover to defend myself. (that was about the main post)

Vutescu I have to object against this! (Which is funny since I do it the second time today against you )
What you say is the perfect way to destroy society. What if you succed? You will be more powerful OK, but no one will trust you, since backstabbed them. Some may fear you, but what if you ever get weak? No one will help you.
We can only survive if we can rust eachother. I can't even imagine how many times I have been rezzed by people. They could have left me there since I was competition for them in quite a few ways (like diggin the same spot, killing the same kind of mobs), they didn't get any XP for rezzing me so what is in for them? Nothing, but without this, the game would be nearly unplayable.

About your post Tomimaci: as a matter of fact in game I'm a helpfull character, i give items for free, i travel long distances just to rez someone, i do heal ppl without teaming with them, i do careplan others sources without teaming.
I do agree with you, this is the way that leads to destruction (irl and in a game) but what a hell? This it the way the things are now in real world. Backstabbing, treachery, blackmailing becomes to be qualities for people.

And I'm sorry I had to post that in the forum, but you did not enabled personal messaging. Sorry for my bad english too.

[sx4rlet]

I do agree with you, this is the way that leads to destruction (irl and in a game) but what a hell? This it the way the things are now in real world. Backstabbing, treachery, blackmailing becomes to be qualities for people.

A simple question to that. Do you (want to) join in to those qualities, or do you let those pass and make up your own mind about what is good and what is not?

[hans1976]

A simple question to that. Do you (want to) join in to those qualities, or do you let those pass and make up your own mind about what is good and what is not?

You make me happy to be part of the same guild, Sxar

[blacky88]

So, thanks for all your answers.

Explotion... my opinion is the like before these discussion... Its easy, yes very easy to train ele.... ANYtime everybody wants only to level, when no friend is online, as to live in this **** community... And its realy fast... i think... So the Canyon in FF would be perfect...
I think that havnt to be forbidden, its a mistake of the creater... so they have to remove this mistake, with removing the mobs there and they havnt to create rules, cos of their mistakes.. i will feel free by playing ryzom.. i do what i want, so when i would want to level in canyon... i would do it and say for me: "**** on the others.. now its my turn" thats true... nobody can forbid me anything, also not to train my ele, with killing Mobs and getting normaly Exp.

An other question... what do you do, when you see one ppl leveling there... doing explotion.. ?

[micrix]

So, thanks for all your answers.

Explotion... my opinion is the like before these discussion... Its easy, yes very easy to train ele.... ANYtime everybody wants only to level, when no friend is online, as to live in this **** community... And its realy fast... i think... So the Canyon in FF would be perfect...
I think that havnt to be forbidden, its a mistake of the creater... so they have to remove this mistake, with removing the mobs there and they havnt to create rules, cos of their mistakes.. i will feel free by playing ryzom.. i do what i want, so when i would want to level in canyon... i would do it and say for me: "**** on the others.. now its my turn" thats true... nobody can forbid me anything, also not to train my ele, with killing Mobs and getting normaly Exp.

An other question... what do you do, when you see one ppl leveling there... doing explotion.. ?

Und du fragst dich warum dich alle hassen ? Du bis das Paradebeispiel eines Opportunisten. Wenn das eine **** community ist, was haelt dich hier ?

Du legst es doch gezielt darauf an jedem gegen das Schienbein zu treten. Laut GM proletest du im Klient rum. Viele Spieler hier haben versucht auf dich einzugehen, aber was tuts du ?

Du schaltest auf stur. Dich interessiert *nur* dein beschi**enes Elematarlevel und hast deine ***** Befriedigung andere bloed anzumachen. Bist du so kaputt oder machts dir einfach nur Spass ?

Ok, mach weiter so. Das wird dir bald langweilig werden und dann ziehst du weiter um Spieler auf anderen Servern zu nerven.

Du tust mir aufrichtig leid !!

[seawe]

I have to say that i think its a simple matter of choice, if we want to take advantage of these 'exploits' or not. As well as choseing if we want to report someone. I think its rude personally to ticket an individual when the issue is xp gain. Help make the game better by ticketing about the issue not the person.

I agree partly that lvls gained are somewhat empty lvls this way, but i also belive that one should have your fun. If you have fun doing this than go ahead, its a world design issue. Personnally i would like to see the Trykers have a cultural skill that lets the take advantage of the water. Thats what trykers are all about after all, clever and ingenous ways to make the best use out of the world around them., especially water And sure killing from cliff tops is just fine by me, i think its very cool looking too, and i've been shot dead by tribes from below in the desert! So it goes both ways

The Lakelands water fix was partly ok kinda like a temp fix. But i hope in the future something more involved is done like reducing xp to half and allowing looting....

Its an immersive game and should be keep one , If theres a tree or a cliff we should be able to use it as best our abilities alow...

an actual bug exploite would be like the Avendale invisible wall

[micrix]

Nice thread.

I made xp in places where nobody would ever say its exploid. One has to make the expirience of nearly camped places. Places where sometimes two groups of nine hunt.

although of course the mobs are able to reach you there, its only 0.1% chance to gain DP. The most annoying are the worn gears there...

I will try to leave this path. I allready saw nice places. Places where probably noone since beta hunted. Places with challange and xp also. Places with thrill, like the first places i went to after comming to mainland. Places that take more then skill, sap and gear.

Although i have tickets to all races i have not seen all now. I will continue to explore this world. But i also learned, while beeing away from Lakelands, that Lakeland has some of the most challanging places to hunt. Maybe only a Tryker knows what it means to enter a by aggos crowded island No distant healer, no cheap hunting...

I ll leave this thead now. Everybody should have fun in his own way. May it be dulling or not.